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I mentioned this before, that we may have brought over Agrobacterium, from Pennsylvania and introduced it to Mississippi.


I noticed issues on the Wisteria last year. The leaves turned brown - other issues.



Here's some leaves from an Azalea and a Hackberry.


These are both, a distance from one another.


They don't appear to have been caused by insects making a nest.




I'm also feeling pressed to make a note on the whole spiritual sense of things. Someone said something about how someone was going to get themselves in trouble.

Well, that wasn't the exact terminology. And I think that I'm patient and friendly.

I have noticed that the whole omniscience thing has only been working with fellows who I haven't met before. And, they have to be near me and whatever.


Others, likely still assume that I am whatever else.

So, I was surprised to hear someone directing stuff at me, let alone the fact that I could hear them.





But, if I ever seem skittish or odd. Until a few days ago, my spiritual body was in a maximum security prison, since I snuck in and incarnated. Happens to a lot of people. So I never got matched with my body, with whatever system, either.


But, I got a little hand press thing. Some fellows helped me grow new eyes. I regrew my arms and legs. It wasn't a pleasant prison. Literally stuck in a cell. Alone. Granted, I used some guards to regrow my arms and things in place of their own. Not that it wasn't deserved.

Since birth. But, my spiritual body is nestled, safely within my body.


Plus similar things happened with a more above body, protecting myself here.


So, I may seem skittish at times. Or ramble.


I do apologize for that.


And while I am one of those "Earth Energy Representatives", for yellow in particular. There's a ton of Representatives, for whatever.

Back when my outer form was split up, I was out wherever, before.


I was recognized when I came back wherever at those points as well. So, I'm usually locked up due to whatever.

But since I'm back together, on Earth, I'm called The Devil.

Which is different from titles like Satan or Lucifer.


Seraphs called me the Devil after I told them some things and said I'm a 100% match for that.


But, I never had a presence here really.



Yah'wei is the White - Yellow energy Representative. He killed a white - blue energied guy known as Odin, thousands of years ago or something. I believe he's been going by that stolen name, out in spiritual realms.


And my kin here, usually have a false layer of red stuff blanketed over ourselves. Or they invert things around us and make us seem like males or females, so that others get confused or can't recognize us.


And things are cleared up, outside so to speak.



Things have been going well in other regards as well.



But, I do apologize if I seem skittish or anything. Ever since I was properly logged into whatever systems, it seems like my posts on here result in my heart beating, very, very quickly.


In some relgions or whatever, Abaddon and the like are viewed in a positive light. Thanatos is popular in some circles.




But, I do ramble at times. It happens.


Plus I have a nice heritage or whatever. So things aren't all that bad.



I'd assume that some lady or a few others can see or sense a bit better than others.


But we are all humans on earth, so to speak. In some manner.




Anyways. If this is agrobacterium, there's some possible usages for it.


Honestly, it infected a Forsythia and some Rubus species back home.

So, if that's what happened. It would likely be from a strain that can infect a multitude of species.




The other stuff is extra that I mentioned. I don't like to unnerve people. So I'm mentioning that.

It is what it is.



I'm unsure if anyone else here has an interest in Agrobacterium. It wasn't brought here on purpose. I didn't use the possibly infected tools, as we hadn't cleaned them yet.

If I remember correctly, it's Fragaria chiloensis and Fragaria virginiana which were crossed in order to create the garden strawberry.


It's North American and South American crosses.



There's the typical woodland strawberry, found in Europe. And it's also found in North America.


That was the standard strawberry, for a while.


Fragaria vesca.



Fragaria moschata is pleasant as well. And it's been used in attempts are crossing Vesca with other species which have larger fruits.



Fragaria verdis is another woodland strawberry.




Typically, the large white strawberries, are Fragaria chiloensis, or modern hybrids, recreating the old cross - Pineberries.



Then, you have the white strawberries that Baker Creek sells seed for. Fragaria vesca, white types.


It's also quite noticeable, that the Baker creek sells - these are usually an off yellow, rather than white.

And the berries are slim / wrinkled.


White soul is nice. I planted strawberry seeds of Fragaria virginiana and some white Fragaria vescas, last year. I'm seeing some sprouts - but I planted strawberry relatives as well. So. Yeah.




There's an issue with incompatible chromosome counts with Fragaria vesca, mixes with with Virginiana or Chiloensis. I've been looking into strawberry breeding, for a while now.


Vesca has flavors that garden strawberries and the like, simply lack. This could be in part, due to the chromosome count.





I mentioned Eterna blueberries, due to the size. All wild blueberries, are going to give you a very low shelf life.


I'd recommend crossing them with pink blueberries or whatever.


I was reading about interspecific blueberry crosses the other day. Or the past few weeks.



So, the blueberry talk simply seemed to be interesting to me.



I've been tossing rotting or moldy blueberries out into an area in the woods. Or strawberry tops, which some people waste those.

I pinch and pull the green parts, and eat around the stem. No need for a knife. But that's just me.



Bilberries largely fell out of fashion, or never caught on. Because they have a low shelf life.

Blueberries from north America supercede them, even where bilberries are native.




Some of the cool looking blueberry cultivars, have three or four species mixed into them.



I'm pushing it on the max days of chill or frost here.


I've tossed blueberries from Chile, Mexico and California, I think.

Sometimes it's only a handful.


But, blueberries don't take long from seed to flower and whatever.


So, I'll eventually have different seedlings crossing with one another out in the woods.


Eventually the most disease resistant plants should cross and flourish.



I've been doing that with garden strawberries as well. Same general area.



I could compost them. But, this seemed like it would be more fun.



With the previous blog post about blueberries, I believe that the white blueberries are found in Lithuania and another country starting with an L.




There is also a single blueberry plant in the yard. It looks old.

Multiple main branch cuttings. Big, old branches.


It looked unhealthy when we moved in last year, and it put out like two handfuls of berries.


Ideally, I could've tossed those fruits as well.


I've been doing this for a few weeks now. I haven't posted about it much here, since that may fall out of the purview of "Garden Journal."


And it's just a fun little project.



I did plant some Musk strawberry seeds in the woods as well.


I marked the area. There's an old truck tire, big one. I planted them in the loose soil next to that.



I'd also like to mention, that there's Fragaria chiloensis variants, native to the United States as well.


It's thought that birds carry or carried them over at some point.


But yeah. White looking strawberries in "Garden strawberries", typically come from Fragaria chiloensis.



Fragaria nilgerrensis, I grew this out before.


But, I had issues. I had to move the seedlings.


It was an interesting species. It should've given me white fruit.




Fragaria daltoniana, is a strawberry which is on my list of wants, as well. When you cross a white and red strawberry, you typically don't get "pink."


So, that species is of interest, potentially.



I'm glad to see that others here, have some interest in strawberries and the like.


Another user here, found a wild strawberry with pink flowers. Typically, that's found in descendedants of an interspecific cross. Or interfamilial.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27283708/

https://www.lvm.lv/en/news/5278-white-blueberries-an-alternative-to-black-mouths

I usually call European blueberries, bilberries.

There's more information on the white variants or mutants, if you look for them online. One of these blogs seems to indicate that many of the white plants, are genetically different per area, because they're otherwise possibly clones.










https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/australia-worlds-heaviest-blueberry-rcna143528


Eterna blueberries also seem interesting.

I believe that he offers endangered as in variety or type.


He's offered capers before, different than the usual species.

Some accessions he's sold, can look superficially similar to other things.



I usually like what he offers, but the sweet cowpeas and things were offered before I started purchasing his seed.


I believe he's starting operations to grow some things out, somewhere.


Let me scim through his Instagram.

Pretzel beans, I've planted those before.

The pods do an odd curving thing.

https://seedvilleusa.com/products/50-purple-pinkeye-cowpea-southern-cow-pea-crowder-vigna-unguiculata-vegetable-legume-seeds-320140205

"Stick Up", the pods on that stick up above the foliage.







Voatavu Cowpea

Many years ago our intrepid plant explorer, Joseph Simcox, was given some impressive cowpeas from Madagascar. The shape was almost round and somewhat flat, a shape that was completely different from that of almost all other cowpeas. Years later when driving on a desolate road in southwest Madagascar he came upon the same distinctively shaped seeds. This unique form is only found in Madagascar, and where it came from, or how it first came to be, is still a mystery. The centre of biodiversity for cowpeas is in Zambia and Zimbabwe, so cowpeas probably came from there. But after centuries of cultivation on the island of Madagascar, the worlds fourth largest, it seems that this form developed in relative isolation from the rest of the world. As Joe says, this is a really cool bean to grow and share with friends.





Avakli Bean

A traditional favourite of the Ewe people of the Volta region of West Africa. Harvest time is eagerly anticipated when the beans, along with maize and groundnuts, are cooked in seasonal dishes such as ayibli and ayikple. The mottled beans are commonly cooked whole or they are first roasted and ground and then cooked to make nutritious stews and breakfast porridge. Drought resistant and sweeter tasting than other beans. Traditionally planted in May or June and harvested in August.




https://www.richters.com/show.cgi?page=seedzoo/seedzoo.html

https://www.richters.com/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=Html/Products/SeedZoo/seedzooproducts.html


Richters has two seedzoos, one with older seed - no longer available stuff.





Cynthia BeanVigna unguiculata 'Cynthia'
Uses: CulinaryDuration: AnnualWhen to Sow: SpringEase of Germination: Easy(Cowpea)

A variety of cowpea growing in popularity among Ewe farmers in the Lake Volta region of West Africa because of its higher yields and higher tolerance of pests. Farmers report that they can get higher prices for Cynthia than for other varieties. The flavour is similar to Tsenabawu and Turkoviahe varieties, but is taller and more vigorous. Like other cowpea beans, it is cooked in stews or cooked with rice and served with any spicy fish, meat or vegetable sauce on top. Little is known about the origin of the variety but some farmers have said that they heard it came from nearby Togo. We suspect that this variety was brought to the area by a trader named Cynthia and was henceforth known by that name.






They have a few other interesting varieties for sale too.



One of those could be akin to the sweet cowpea that you mentioned.


But, those three would likely be nice additions to any breeding project.


Upright pods would be nice. A pretzel bean mixed with an asparagus bean seemed like it would be nice.

I'm unsure of how upright "Stick Up"'s pods are. I only know of that one seller offering it.



Vigna species, unlike Phaseolus. They're going to be harder to source in the United States in terms of wild material or odd variants and landraces.



I can't find anyone reselling some of Joseph Simcox's introductions. I'm also unsure if "sweeter" is sweet at all.


Sweeter and different shaped could represent something from another V. unguiculata population or something that was introgressed for all I know.

There's supposedly better tasting Horned cucumbers / melons out wherever as well. Sweet, fruity ones.



I believe that Joseph Simcox actually mentioned that he may be offering more seeds again, soon. I'd have to double check his Instagram.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Relationships-among-Phaseolus-African-Vigna-subgenus-Vigna-Eurasian-Vigna-subgenus_fig1_263699032#:~:text=Vigna%20is%20most%20closely%20related,Vigna%20(subgenus%20V...

I had other sources at some point, but Vignas closest sister taxon, is believed to be Phaseolus if I remember correctly.


Some of their species were moved back and forth between genera. Strophostyles is somewhere in between.



But yeah, they do share some morphological similarities, versus more distant relatives. They're still somewhat removed, so a cross would be unlikely but maybe not impossible.


Say a turnip and a radish cross. They're in the same general grouping, one is very related to the Brassica genus.



The larger sized cowpea has two colorations on the shoulders, the back is white, and the "eye" side is another color.


There's lines of red which are on the shoulders different colored patterns. There's also speckled dots on the shoulders. I don't think they're unusual colorations, it's just unusual to have three different splotches and then the different patterns and whatever.


It stood out with the rest, and then combined with the size.



I may see if I can take it back out of the ground tomorrow. I planted it in a smaller area, alongside the purple ones.


It'll probably still be intact and fine to take out. I think I'm describing it properly, but it's not in front of me.




I'm also including the annoying seed packet, alongside less annoying ones.


I like baker creek for its fun introductions and all. But, yeah.



I should be able to open the packet up and tell if its chard or spinach. I don't have an area ready for these at the very moment.




And so yes. I've now went ahead and opened the packet. And I've added an image.


It's chard. The seeds are wrinkled spheres. The species name on the back, indicates spinach.


They could've called it Japanese Mountain chard.


I checked Jiromaru as well. It's spinach. The seeds are pretty spikey. I've noticed that some types from the middle east, and elsewhere are similar with those sorts of seed. Bit sharper than usual.



You'd think that whoever was making the seed packets would see that there's an issue. But, it's fine.


Heat tolerant Swiss chard. Sounds good to me. Besides the note about bitterness. Chard usually doesn't taste bitter, but I also typically grew Fordhook in Pennsylvania, I did try rainbow chard, also no bitterness. Perpetual spinach. I like chard.

Beet greens are good too, if you need to thin Beets. Same species.


This chard has small seeds. I'm used to larger seed.



Apologies for the various cowpea names. I lived in Pennsylvania, and I don't know of anyone who grew cowpeas. The Amish grew common beans, maybe they'd grow limas and things if they felt like it. Runner beans and strawberries in flower gardens.


I will way that I haven't seen a ton of cowpeas either, so the larger one with its patterns could be common. But I didn't see many others of quite it's size, nor others with that many different patterns all in one.


I say shoulders, but it's the sides opposite of the opposite end of the eye which is white, and the eye which is whatever you call that color. There's added splotches besides those - and those splotches have speckles and lines running through them.


It struck me as an interesting seed, due to its size and everything else.

It could be common. But, I liked it. The Purple ones I'm using as a test, just to see if there's any crosses, or if these are mostly selections.


I think that I added one shriveled red pea into that mix of purples and whatever.


Chickpea might work for a word. Or cowpea. I'll figure it out at some point.


All of these peas and things. And there's however many beans.



Oh yeah, my corn is coming up too. That's nice.

I planted Sart Roloise, Litchi tomato, Black Strawberry tomato and some other seeds today.

Pretty late for tomatoes here. It gets hot here. Otherwise we'd probably have a wider date for planting tomatoes.

If it gets too hot, planting plants directly into the ground becomes less viable. Sowing stuff still works.



So, that's a bit worrying.



But, I also got other seeds.

Free Landis winter lettuce. It's a decent lettuce if I remember correctly. I don't think it's typically meant for my climate.

Gabonese Sorrel. I've seen Joseph Simcox try these recently on his Instagram. I believe that I saw Brian Laufer selling these at some point as well.


So, I live in Mississippi now. It gets hot and humid. I figured I'd give Gabonese Sorrel a shot. I just need to make sure it doesn't spread.


Jiromaru spinach. And "Japanese Mountain Spinach", which says Swiss chard at the top of the packet, and has spinaches botanical name on the back of the packet.

I don't know if it's akin to Pereptual Spinach, that chard. Or what.


Sometimes Baker Creek likes to do that sort of trickery, haha. I'll figure it out.




Onto the legumes.

Promiscuous Peas. The packet has a fuller description than the website, or there's added details.


The peas are described as sports from Yanna Fishman's farm. Sports are usually mutants or things arising from clones - etc. If I remember correctly.


These may be more akin to probable hybrids or whatever, once you mix them together. And "Joseph Lofthouse's New Breeding Population."


I'm surprised that they didn't separate the two. Or at least grow them out side by side and then sell them together. Unless they did that, I dunno.


Not complaining.


There is also the Madagascar Blue-Mottled Mung Bean. I've planted some of that seed, near the area where I planted Kali Black Gram (Vigna mungo.) Typical Mung beans, are Vigna radiata.

I planted Adzuki beans (Vigna angularis) in that same sorta block.




The mottled Mung beans, are very, very small. There's decent sized Mung beans out there and there's small ones as well.


These, are much smaller than those.




I planted some Chinese Red Noodle long beans, next to the promiscuous Peas.


Moonshadow hyacinth, lavender queen butterfly pea and urizun Japanese.

(Lablab purpureus), (Clitoria ternatea), (Psophocarpus tetragonolobus).

Those, I planted in a different general area than the other legumes.


A bit closer to where I planted some Lathyrus tuberosus seed - which has foliage and sprouted.


Not way too far from these others. But yeah.



The south jersey hopniss, I planted even further away, closer towards the woolly beans. Their seeds remind me of pea seeds, wrinkled ones. Except they're glossy.





I've also become concerned that due to my planting some legumes early in raised bed soil, that could have made things wet and cold - killing some seed.


I didn't account for the soil mix with the early sowing and covering with leaves. Some things are still sprouting, so I think that it mostly delayed germination or a few things had beans here and there which came up too early.


I saw another new sprout earlier.




I'll be adding some images.


First, I found woolly Beans from last year, saved seed. One little bean is from a relative of woolly bean.


In the middle, you have red noodle beans / peas. Above or to the left of that, you have the promiscuous peas. And then there's the mottled Mung beans.


Long beans and African peas or black eyed peas are the same species.


Jeremy mentioned their differences, seed size and different shape. That sorta thing.


These ones in particular, have a groove or grooves / indents in their seed.



Their flowers may be different than typical Vigna unguiculata seed.



Not hearing of crosses between these groups isn't a bad thing. I usually have a little means or grouping of things, when it comes to checking foe stuff like that.


Do I know anyone who grows both of these, side by side? Do they all buy need seed each year, or do they save seed? Do they cull anything that's off-type?


Then there's the question, does anyone translate records from other countries, are those all public record.


I don't know if there's a correlation with the bean / pea size, and pod size genetics with long beans. But, those are all strikingly larger in size than cowpeas.


I do want to grow Holstein Cowpeas again. They aren't too large, even with these other cowpeas shown here.

I don't see anything that resembles their patterns here. Even in different colorations.



Some other Vigna species can cross with one another. Cowpeas, usually won't cross with the other typically grown species - maybe Bambaras or Zombi peas would work.


But, I'd assume that the same species can still cross with one another.




The second image. I isolated purple / darker seeded, but non black peas from the Promiscuous Peas mix.


I also found an outlier, with probably the largest size out of all of these. The seed coating was different from all of the others. It's rounded and plump, not just wider than the others.

The side opposite of the "eye", is white. Then the sides have red markings, and tan stripes with speckles. I didn't really see too many others like that.

Some others were simply large, long or one or just not as large. Some were this large.



I'm not doing this, this year. But, with legumes and maybe corn, I typically have a plan.


If I have a grex, I may try to separate the different colors into rows.


If something truly crossed, then the offspring shouldn't be the same color as the parent.


A truly promiscuous pea, should have a different flower structure, which seems more open, with sexual organs being exposed than others.



So, go out and look for anything that looks weird.


I'd make one grouping, with selected purple peas, taken from different purple African pea plants.


Then, plant the rest into the main grex, as per usual.



If you have a single promiscuous pea, you may run into some issues.


Mainly, things which aren't promiscuous will pollinate that plant. Then the offsprings flower structure can be messed up, or you'll have a hard time doing whatever.


I'm pretty sure that the main breeders know that this may become a large undertaking.


There is a "Seedzoo" online somewhere, which sells African landrace peas. If this goes well, I may look into getting some of that stuff.

Maybe Bambaras as well. Who knows.




Once a promiscuous population is developed and bad genes are weeded out, I'd imagine that others could just plant any old new variety or landrace into that group, and then have a stockpile of old seed, or grow the new landrace or mixture in a different field than the others.



Cowpeas seem to have the same issue as common beans, Phaseolus vulgaris when it comes to outcrossing. Closed flower structure, and a tendency to self pollinate.


Maybe this means that they'll self abort foreign pollen at times too.


But, I see no reasoning as to not grow these with long beans.



I'd assume that the potential for crossing with other species, may go up, if the flower structure is more open than usual.

Even if it's Bambaras.




There's also the very rare chance that someone could end up with a Vigna x Phaseolus, if there's two groups of wide population hybrid groups with open flower structures.


Since I've been growing a few different legumes, it's become apparent at how closely related Vigna, Strophostyles and Phaseolus are.


The cotlydeons are very similar, even if some species have those underground / above ground.

Root structures may be a massive barrier, if a cross ever took.


Lotus tetragonolobus, and Lathyrus tuberosus - I'll be posting seedling images of those.

But, they're strikingly different than those other species, even at early stages. Lotus tetragonolobus, has the cucumber looking cotlydeons.


Standard garden peas, also look different than the three mentioned genera.



I do, still want some runner / common bean early cycle hybrids, again.

The last time that happened, I had some issues. Some seed was wrinkled, but still viable. More prone to rotting or molding in storage. It looked like dead seed, but it was still viable.


So, when looking for hybrids, I now save seed from dried / dead seed, still plant it - away from other things.


I lost the remaining hybrid seed in the move. I planted Succotash and Runner beans up the same trellis and let them climb on one another for a few years.



Common beans seem to have some varieties which are simply prone to outcrossing. Mixing those with runner beans, could be fun.


I might get runner bean seed from the supermarket again. Dunno.


It was rainy last year and they rotted or got sick. It stayed dark for months. No plants were happy.


Then the powdery mildew came.



Typically Vigna and Phaseolus have vastly different flower structures, without taking the closed flower structures into account.

Open flowered Phaseolus species, tend to reject pollen from all other species, while closed ones can accept that pollen.


Tomatoes seem that way as well. With SC and SI species / varieties.


I won't say that I haven't been interested in the possibilities of creating interspecific grexes of Phaseolus and Vigna mixes, near one another with open flower structures.


That removes one barrier, I think. They hardly ever outcross within their own species.



I've been wanting to combine a few perennial Strophostyles species, with different populations of Woolly beans as well.

Just due to the possibilities.



I've also noted that F1s and even F2s can die off randomly. So, they'd likely die with any competition in the wild. Or they'd be absorbed into the same population.




That's all dream goals, pretty unlikely.



I am hoping to get a better look at some flower structures and things this year, concerning legumes.



Apologies for the long post. I wasn't sure about posting some of that stretch dream / goal here. It's out there.

The beans look more tan or light brown to me, than gray.


But I'm also assuming it's crossed with something else.


I remember reading that black mitla has an odd pheno flower for either species. And, if it's a stable variety, then any odd or incompatible genetics would have been weeded out, a long time ago.

So I've been unsure about it. I'd assume that someone would need to do proper testing on black mitla, and tepary or common beans local to where it originated from.


An f10, may not look anything like an intermediate between two species.

I believe that some squash grexes in other countries were found to be interspecific hybrids, but natural selection removed anything which would indicate that. Plus possible backcrossing with a single ancestor.





But whatever the case, it seemingly outcrosses better than other varieties.




And I've heard about guacho being the other parent.


The beans could look like a different color, non dry. But the color seems uniform in the packet. So, they did likely stabilize it a bit.


Not a lot of people properly label things as half runner either. So I'm unsure if it's even a pole bean.



If anyone is interested, I'll post updates on it, as it grows. I'm planting these pretty close to other pole beans, just to look for crosses next year.



The website and packet said gray, but they also could've meant grex? The seeds weren't really gray. Then again, the seeds were uniformly tan.


It doesn't seem like I can ask the seller, but their other seeds were correct and good.



I'm just growing them as a "Oh I forgot about these" sorta thing.

I planted out some Feuerbohne Eureka Dwarf, and Feuerbohne Kontra Dwarf runner / common bean crosses. Stable crosses.


I'm hoping that at least one of these has red flowers.


I did a row of Maroon, Peru Cow and Jungle Limas. Plus Alma's PA Dutch.


Alma's PA Dutch is very small compared to all of these other limas.



I also planted Beefy Resilient Grey Pole beans, from a 2021 packet.


If I remember correctly, I got the seed from fellows on etsy who also happened to be selling some Borneo C. Melo and other cool stuff.


It seems like their store is gone now.


I think that these may have been a line that they selected out of the Beefy Resilient grex. Which was black mitla x something if I remember correctly.


Some blog suggested that black mitla could be a common bean crossed with a tepary, as it had intermediate features / flowers.


And that black mitla is from regions which would grow both species.



I don't know. But, I've heard that the grex tends to outcross fairly well. And the seed packet that I have, says pole. So, this could've crossed with a pole bean. I don't know.



But, I'm growing it near some of these other things. The Dwarf varieties, I gave them a bit of space off to themselves.



I'll probably plant Kentucky Wonder, Provider, Scalzo, Marvel Of Venice and Royal Burgundy - maybe Beurre de rocquencourt into the garden when it's tilled.


For these other things, they're in a planter bed. I'll either let them sprawl, or I'll get a few trellises.



I want the limas to cross. Jungle lima is said to be very vigorous. It grows fast, and it produces a lot of beans.



Peru Lima, has a cow print on it. Black spots, some black markings on a white bean.

I think there's a Holstein cowpea out there that I've grown before. This is different.

Maroon Lima, may be the same thing as Christmas Limas or similar.



Alma's PA Dutch, is a lima grown by some PA Dutch groups, I guess. There's some other PA Dutch lima beans out there.

The one I have, is the smallest lima that I've seen. Granted I usually don't grow limas. It also has a different shape than most.

Purple Burgundy seems like an odd color.



With these Limas, I also want something of a seed crop.


Last year I planted my beans late.


This year, I'm on time. At least for these ones. I really need the garden tilled. But, the planting season for beans, goes up to like August here. Limas, are likely earlier, with their last planting dates.


I'm not 100% sure if the Beefy Resilient Grey pole beans, are pole beans or not. They could be half runners for all I know. I purchased them as an extra back then.

I have maybe two topics in here.


I was typing and this branched into something else.


I wasn't sure of where to put this.

I went over the character limit.


I mentioned autism and some other stuff. Just to relate to whatever other stuff.


Some of this seemed like it was worthwhile to post.



If anyone's bored and wants to read a very, long post.


Here's a google docs document.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rUSx5m8hpYuMKNdZ4mI1Cv41cXqaGJ4tpRM9YaeiV7c/edit?usp=drivesdk


If nothing else, there's a fun list of apple varieties which have things other than sweet / tart.


I didn't want to clog up the apple breeding thread either. This branched out from that.

I've had different results with those first two responses, so I dunno what to say there.

The third is a guess.

I will say that I remember there being a type two or something.

But the leaves look different on the other type being sold.


His weird hybrids and things are fun, nonetheless.

I tried comparing the pheno before, it matches one of the solanum arcanum types that HRseeds has.


Arcanum has at least four different phenos that I've seen. His arcanum is also SC. It produces with a single plant.



The fruits seem soft. I've also grown S. habrochaites with soft fruit. The flowers shouldn't be too exserted if it's a SC Arcanum.


Pretty much every wild tomato relative, has a SC form or whatever out there.


I believe one of his peruvianums is also SC.


But, I'd say the pheno matches at least on of the arcanums.



Depending on things, some wild tomatoes drop and rot or get eaten. Others burst.



So, I'm not sure if those mentioned qualities help out too much.



I haven't grown the red thing side by side with his arcanum. Or Arcanums.


Its nice that people are growing things to compare them though.


And the chances of there being a red tomato as a weird mutant, would be rare, to unlikely.


Though, if the seed was from an Arcanum, and he grows SC arcanums, the Arcanum could be the mother - he could've assumed that other tomatoes can't pollinate it.


Growing out the offspring could be fun. Just to see if it's a mutant or if things segregate.

https://www.almanac.com/gardening/planting-calendar/MS/Jackson


I use this site. It's helpful enough.


It doesn't list some obscure plants and things.

I noticed that one of HR's Woolly Currant tomatoes, with is a Hairy Galopagos tomato or something, possibly crossed with a cherry tomato or a Currant tomato.

One of the cotlydeons is very hairy. I don't know if the phone camera is picking that up.


I don't know if it's possible to get hairy fruit and hairy leaves, or that I need hairy leaves to get hairy fruit.

I haven't really grown the hairy tomatoes from over there.



I tried a visual look next to Woolly Blue Wine and Woolly Kate.


They don't quite have that fuzz, but I can possibly use this in the future to immediately tell if this trait is present.



I'd like to try and cross a more stable woolly tomato, with another type of woolly tomato.


Livingstons honor bright, I took an image of those seedlings. And yes, I way overseeded them.


I won't use all of the seed anyway, and I still have leftover.

I doubt I'd be able to give it away either.



Those have started to turn a sickly yellow color. They're also easy to see if the first true leaves have the gene.

I don't mind chartreuse plants, but this variety is one of the only yellow leaved tomato varieties out there.


If the leaves didn't slowly turn yellow, I'd imagine the plants would just die off.


I'm planting those as ornamentals at best.



I've also wanted to try and cross them with a variegated tomato or whatever else.




The antho tomatoes are showing some blue coloration, due to the cold weather.


Antho tomatoes seem more susceptible to cold, as per usual.


Hopefully they aren't blue stemmed or stunted for their whole growing period.