Are these really honey snap 2 pea seeds?

[A Horn]

Mandy's greenhouse says that honey snap 2 peas have large green seeds, but when I ordered them from "rooting for you farm" I got seeds that were large and red with subtle speckles.

[Diane Whitehead]

The Honey Snap 2 seeds I bought from Johnny's are dark brown.

[A Horn]

The Honey Snap 2 seeds I bought from Johnny's are dark brown.

Good enough for me. Thank you

[galina gardiner]

When I bred Charlie's Gold Snap from Amish Snap it took many generations to get them to flower only two tone purple.  Time and again a green seeded, white flowered recessive showed up.  Getting fewer with every generation, but still showing up after years.  And we may still not be done yet with green seeds and white flowers for a few more generations.  Whereas the recessive features of the yellow pod colour and the snap pod were fixed as soon as they first appeared. 

It is so much easier to breed with recessives, once you get what you want, you take seeds and the feature is fixed for future generations.  With my cross (Amish Snap is white flowered) green seeds need to be removed every generation they show up.

I deliberately wanted a purple flowered yellow snap pea to distinguish it from Opal Creek visually. But at least I can see at the seed stage, which are going to flower purple and which are going to flower white. Only the green seeds are going to flower white. 

With the Honey Snap 2 cross, a similar thing may be happening. And if Mandy's deliberately went with any green seeds only that showed up, these would breed more green seeds. Or it could just be a simple mistake in their description. 

[Cathy A]

Would it possible to eliminate the undesired recessives in two generations with a different technique?

In the first generation, sow your seed. Save seed from all plants that lack undesired traits, but save and label them from every plant separately.

In the second generation, plant some (but not all) seeds from every first generation plant from which you saved seed. You would need to raise a fair number of plants, 7 or so, from each first-generation plant. Label each plant's parent carefully.

Now look at the second generation plants. Identify which first generation plants have no second generation descendants expressing the undesired recessive traits. The first generation parents of them are probably homozygous dominant for those genes; the more second-generation plants raised per first generation plant, the more likely those first generation plants completely lack the undesired recessive gene.

Now you know (within reasonable probability) which first generation plants lack the undesired recessive. Grow out the remaining seed stock of those first generation plants; don't use the second generation plants.

There is a good chance that the third generation only has the desirable dominant trait. To be really certain, repeat the procedure again.

[galina gardiner]

Cathy A,  hadn't thought about that, but it makes good sense and saves a couple of years selecting.  Thank you. 

[A Horn]

For mandatory outbreeders like brassicas I have heard the similar technique of evaluating each individual by the average score of their children (aka combining ability) before selecting the parents referred to as "lineage breeding"

[AndrewB]

Yes. They are large non wrinkled brown seeds.

 Here is some of mine, though they have lost some color as they are a few years old and now frozen in plastic.