Have some tomato and bean cross seeds

[Ferdzy]

Hello all;

Long time no chat. However, I'm still here and still gardening. Right now we are heading into harvesting and there are a couple of things that are interesting but I don't think we have the time/space/interest to follow completely.

Planted Stupice tomatoes this spring. They turned out to be Stupice x Ildi (a yellow cherry with a distinctive truss which is why I'm identifying that as the pollen source). Nobody loves the tomatoes. They are a little thick-skinned and the flavour is "meh". Not bad, but "meh". HOWEVER, this is an f1, and it's a very early, and yet still producing, large cherry tomato with potato-type leaves on a short (still a bit less than 2' tall) plant that has been extremely healthy all summer. There are some interesting genetic possibilities there. If anyone would like some of this, I will save and send seed.

We also planted seed from a cross between Anellino Yellow (Anellino Giallo) and probably Octarora Corn bean. Again, I'm not loving the beans. They have a bit of a "fuzz" on them which makes them not great eaten green. Yet they don't quite have the volume to be a good dried bean. I'm still probably saving the best and planting them out again because we have never grown a bean as disease-resistant as Anellino Yellow and these offspring do have that resistance. I waited a long, long time for a cross to show up in Anellino Yellow; it apparently doesn't cross easily. Every other common bean in the garden looks tatty, but AY and offspring are still looking very perky. If anyone is interested, let me know what sort of qualities you are looking for and I will try to select in that direction. I would expect there is still room for variation in the offspring but it's beans so who really knows.

[Steph S]

I am not a bean grower but that might change if I could find or develop something disease resistant.

In other available seeds, I just cleaned last night the seeds from a (free bee) cross between Yod Fah, (a Kailan) and a purple sprouting Kale which came to me as purple sprouting broccoli but was obviously crossed with a curly leafed kale.  In its defense the purple sprouts were very good and abundant, the leaves were quite sweet for a kale, and it proved to be exceptionally resistant to cabbage butterflies which devastated other brassicas (but not so much the Kailan either).  I put them together with a couple of Yod fah and let the bees go freely at it - the bees were very attentive to these.  With regards the Yod Fah, I suspect it is not very cold tolerant - plants wilted when I opened the greenhouse windows - stems also became woody/tough quicker and it had a slight mustardy bite to the taste vs comparison to other Kailan which I couldn't get seed from in the previous year.    Yod Fah was a great producer though and good quality as long as shoots were snapped early enough.    So this was a cross of opportunity not involving plants I especially chose for the purpose.  I will grow a few for sure, just in curiosity about the flower size and color and how that pans out, as well as the yummy sprouts of both parents.    But I have a  large packet of seeds from the cross, more than I will ever grow, so I'm mentioning them here as an offering if anyone is interested.

[Ferdzy]

Steph, I would be interested in some of those. Would you like me to send you some of the beans?

[Steph S]

Thanks Ferdzy, but realistically my space is already committed for next season to other projects.  Peas are doing well!  as a substitute for beans.  But if we hit a climate tipping point and start getting hot summers regularly, I might check back with you on how the cross is doing.
Send me a pm with your address, and I'll pack you up some of the PSK X YF.

[UnicornEmily]

In other available seeds, I just cleaned last night the seeds from a (free bee) cross between Yod Fah, (a Kailan) and a purple sprouting Kale which came to me as purple sprouting broccoli but was obviously crossed with a curly leafed kale.  In its defense the purple sprouts were very good and abundant, the leaves were quite sweet for a kale, and it proved to be exceptionally resistant to cabbage butterflies which devastated other brassicas (but not so much the Kailan either).  I put them together with a couple of Yod fah and let the bees go freely at it - the bees were very attentive to these.  With regards the Yod Fah, I suspect it is not very cold tolerant - plants wilted when I opened the greenhouse windows - stems also became woody/tough quicker and it had a slight mustardy bite to the taste vs comparison to other Kailan which I couldn't get seed from in the previous year.    Yod Fah was a great producer though and good quality as long as shoots were snapped early enough.    So this was a cross of opportunity not involving plants I especially chose for the purpose.  I will grow a few for sure, just in curiosity about the flower size and color and how that pans out, as well as the yummy sprouts of both parents.    But I have a  large packet of seeds from the cross, more than I will ever grow, so I'm mentioning them here as an offering if anyone is interested.

I'm interested!  I'm just starting my Brassica oleracea landrace, and that sounds like an intriguing cross.  Abundant purple sprouts, sweet leaves, and resistance to cabbage moths sounds great to me.

[UnicornEmily]

We also planted seed from a cross between Anellino Yellow (Anellino Giallo) and probably Octarora Corn bean. Again, I'm not loving the beans. They have a bit of a "fuzz" on them which makes them not great eaten green. Yet they don't quite have the volume to be a good dried bean. I'm still probably saving the best and planting them out again because we have never grown a bean as disease-resistant as Anellino Yellow and these offspring do have that resistance. I waited a long, long time for a cross to show up in Anellino Yellow; it apparently doesn't cross easily. Every other common bean in the garden looks tatty, but AY and offspring are still looking very perky. If anyone is interested, let me know what sort of qualities you are looking for and I will try to select in that direction. I would expect there is still room for variation in the offspring but it's beans so who really knows.

Hmm.  This sounds interesting to me.  I'm not wild about the fuzziness, but the disease resistance sounds neat.

Do you want me to send you seeds, too?  Same goes for you, Steph.

I just sent most of my spare seeds to the landrace seed swap project thing (I'm not sure what to call it!), but I do have some spare tomato seeds of various different varieties.  Most are collected from F1 hybrids, and some are from heirlooms.  Most are red and juicy, but there are some other colors in there.  They're saved separately, so I could check and see if any of them match what you want in your tomatoes.  (None of them have exserted stigmas or anything.  They're all gathered from various tomatoes grown organically around my neighborhood.  I figured that was a good way to gather material for the tomato landrace I'm planning to start next year.)  Would any of those seeds interest you?

[Steph S]

I'm good for seeds, thanks, but send me a PM with your address and I'll pack you up some brassica seeds next week.

[UnicornEmily]

Thank you!  I will do!