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ImGrimmer

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Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« on: 2020-12-01, 01:45:35 PM »
Anyone have experience with Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)? It is supposed to be cold hardy. Can anyone confirm this?

http://unusualediblesandtheirwildrelatives.blogspot.com/2018/02/hardy-chili-capsicum-flexuosum.html

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #1 on: 2020-12-31, 06:10:49 AM »
My only experience is not being able to germinate it and having cuttings of it die in the post. Will be giving it another go this year so will report back.

This chap is planning to test it this outside this winter in the UK I believe: https://radix4roots.blogspot.com/

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #2 on: 2021-01-08, 07:20:28 AM »
Intriguing. Does it hybridize with common peppers?

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #3 on: 2021-01-08, 08:27:57 AM »
I think it can cross with chinense and annum, few others pretty easily. It also has some self incompatibility issues which could be used for breeding projects.
 Offspring won't be as hardy unless you do a bunch of backcrosses. Still extends season.

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #4 on: 2021-01-09, 03:13:07 AM »
Very interesting. Might add this to my wish list.  :)

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #5 on: 2021-01-09, 07:58:18 AM »
I think it can cross with chinense and annum, few others pretty easily. It also has some self incompatibility issues which could be used for breeding projects.
 Offspring won't be as hardy unless you do a bunch of backcrosses. Still extends season.

I don't think the species itself is that amazingly hardy, but as you said, it could extend the season a little, by helping them resist late or early frost (or near-frost). This alone can potentially add about 20% growing days around here, on a not so atypical year.

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #6 on: 2021-03-19, 05:15:29 PM »
One flexuosum seed germinated  / sprouted today. I would like for at least two plants to come up, just for pollination/self-incompatibility reasons. Having more seed to work with next year, or for distribution would be great.

Thinking of attempting some hybrids using this if everything goes well.
Yaki Blue Fawn(Capsicum chinense) Apparently descended from an chinense and annum. Bhut Jolokia x Filius Blue. Good producer, smooth black / blue stems, fruit. 87 days to maturity, which isn't bad for a hot pepper. Probably has some fun genetics to begin with.
Murasaki(Capsicum annuum) - Nice shape, purple flower. Unsure about taste, haven't tried it.
Chinese Five Color(Capsicum annuum)
Bleeding Borg 9(Capsicum chinense)
Cap 1141(Capsicum praetermissum) Very nice looking flowers from images I have seen.

If my Mira peppers germinate, I will try those out as well. They are a small sweet pepper, compact, 70 days to maturity. They are rather bland even at full maturity. Most of my pepper seeds are old, may or may not germinate. I have Violet Sparkle peppers, Rezha Macedonian, Black Hungarian - none have germinated yet. Chinese Five Color and Cap 1141 germinated within a week of sowing.

Experimental Farm Network has some things like Mountain Roaster Pepper(Capsicum annum), an early compact pepper plant. Things like this would probably work well with flexuosum hybridization projects - short season pepper growers might benefit quite a bit from a few extra weeks of peppers ripening / developing.

I'm doing this as a small side project. Ideally I would keep the flower type, larger fruit size, earlier maturity and of course the frost tolerance - this would all be tedious considering I may have to backcross to F1s, F2s - possibly the parents for these things, and needing to stabilize the variety to make sure everything is fine.

I suppose others could use whatever I end up creating as further breeding material.

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #7 on: 2021-03-19, 11:38:57 PM »
Did you treat the seed specially or did you just sow it?

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #8 on: 2021-03-20, 12:21:00 AM »
Did you treat the seed specially or did you just sow it?

I just sowed them without treatment on February 22nd - it surfaced yesterday. From what I have read the germination can be erratic. So it could takes months for some seed, weeks for others.

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Re: Hardy Chili (Capsicum flexuosum)
« Reply #9 on: 2021-03-20, 02:32:22 AM »
Thank you. I also have seeds. Let's see what happens...