Black Boy/ Pêches de Vigne peach

Started by Richard Watson, 2024-03-28, 10:26:26 PM

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Richard Watson

This plate has two different looking and tasting fruit both off the same tree. My wife who doesnt not like the darker red Black Boy, very much liked the lighter coloured peach.
The seed came from a old tree that produced strongly to the red which I was after, its 8 year old tree and has never thrown two types of peaches in the past. Also there is no fruit that are somewhere in between, its either one or the other.

Anyone know what is going on here......
Changeable climate manly during winter & spring - 500mm average yearly rainfall. 23 years of soil improvements plus sub soil top soil reversal means my garden beds are about half metre deep. Below that is 100's of metres of alluvial shingle

reed

Were most of the peaches on the tree of one color and a few the other color? Were they mixed up on the same branches? I'm wondering if it threw a sport, a mutation in a bud like grapes do sometimes. I had that happen with a grape vine one time, where one branch of a purple grape started making white grapes. That's my only guess but it is just a guess.   

Richard Watson

That would have to be the best explanation, but, there's too many things that dont add up, 1 - last years fruit was all red flesh, 2- the light coloured are over all the tree and 3- the light coloured fruit are later ripening and still on the tree while the purples are now laying in the long grass 
Changeable climate manly during winter & spring - 500mm average yearly rainfall. 23 years of soil improvements plus sub soil top soil reversal means my garden beds are about half metre deep. Below that is 100's of metres of alluvial shingle

reed

Well, that sounds more like maybe it's something environmental. I don't have clue what that might be. 

Richard Watson

It has been a strange growing season. 80% of my pumpkins grew fruit with hollow seed and pale tasteless flesh.
My tobacco patch from last year that I leave in the ground for the following growing season to grow peas up regrew again from there bases, not just a few but every plant (10 plants), Ive never had a single plant ever survive winter in the past.
My Yacon only grew to 10cm tall.
Changeable climate manly during winter & spring - 500mm average yearly rainfall. 23 years of soil improvements plus sub soil top soil reversal means my garden beds are about half metre deep. Below that is 100's of metres of alluvial shingle

Richard Watson

#5
Just got off the phone talking with another gardener, told her about my tree, she then spoke about her nectarine tree flipping and growing peaches this summer just gone. She did some research and found info where it said it can happen, she will send that and I will post it here once I get it.
Changeable climate manly during winter & spring - 500mm average yearly rainfall. 23 years of soil improvements plus sub soil top soil reversal means my garden beds are about half metre deep. Below that is 100's of metres of alluvial shingle

reed

If your weather has gone as screwy as ours, maybe it played a role with your peaches. We are six weeks out from our supposed last frost date, but it was 26 here yesterday with a constant dry wind, it's 15 right now, just before dawn. We basically didn't have winter, less than a week of actual below freezing cold and no snow at all.


Richard Watson

The summer was normal really, apart from the fact that it was a short frost free period though.

Another theory that was put to me was that this may have come about by cross pollination from other nearby trees...??

Changeable climate manly during winter & spring - 500mm average yearly rainfall. 23 years of soil improvements plus sub soil top soil reversal means my garden beds are about half metre deep. Below that is 100's of metres of alluvial shingle

reed

Quote from: Richard Watson on 2024-03-31, 12:59:18 PMAnother theory that was put to me was that this may have come about by cross pollination from other nearby trees...??

That's an interesting possibility, I imagine you will plant the seeds and maybe find out in a few years.

Richard Watson

Changeable climate manly during winter & spring - 500mm average yearly rainfall. 23 years of soil improvements plus sub soil top soil reversal means my garden beds are about half metre deep. Below that is 100's of metres of alluvial shingle

Richard Watson

They say in the below link that this is the result of a homozygous recessive allele on one chromosome

https://fruitgrowersnews.com/article/grower-finds-nectarine-growing-on-peach-tree/
Changeable climate manly during winter & spring - 500mm average yearly rainfall. 23 years of soil improvements plus sub soil top soil reversal means my garden beds are about half metre deep. Below that is 100's of metres of alluvial shingle