Tomato Journal

[Garrett Schantz]

Solanum peruvianum Joseph Landrace
Solanum peruvianum HRseeds
L. glandulosum


Chariot tomato

Matt's Wild Cherry

Kamatis Na Ligaw

Woodland Creations Pimpinellifolium

Sara's Galapagos tomato

Everglades tomato

Wild Pink Cherry tomato / Humboldtii

Spoon Tomato

Raindanceseeds - Brian Laufer - Pimpinellifolium

Blue Cream Berries


Wildling Panamorous Tomato

BH series Panamorous tomato

Q-series Panamorous

Big Hill tomato

Exserted Orange Tomato

Exserted Tiger


Purple Smudge

Burnley Bounty

Double Rich

Copper Currant

Muchacha!

Wild Gem

Weight in Gold

Pampelmuse

Green Ripper (Descended from Wild Tiger and Danube)

Jan's


Neon Peach

Lutescent - Livingston's Honor Bright Tomato

Cherokee Tiger Black

Costoluto Florentino

Aladdin's Lamp

Reisetomate

Stick tomato


Off Peruvianum

Off Habro

Unknown - Habro? x Peru Pimp F3 Small seed / fruit

Unknown - Habro? x Peru Pimp F3

Pea pimps - Alberto Shatters / Peru Pimp HRseeds


List of the things that I will be growing this year. Already have Cheesemaniae and Galapagense growing downstairs.

Fairly sure that Unknown parent is S. habrochaites, F1 had an off-orange coloration, had some greens, orange and off-yellows in the F2. Lot of tan / brown seeds as well. Lot of different genetics for red, dunno what the Pea pimp has or what it looks like mixed with Habrochaites.

Going to retry the cross if I can. If not, I will just use one of these F3s as parents - lot of them had some exsertion last year, tried saving mostly from the slightly exserted plants. Some also had decent sized flowers compared to their small fruit sizes.

Off Habro is from plants that had slight purpling on all of a plant's fruit, larger than average on all of a plant's fruits etc. Anything off type from the rest of a population. These probably still crossed with other things.


A lot of the named varieties will only be getting one cell, mainly using a lot of them as pollen donors - will also probably save seed from them for mass planting or seed sharing. Hoping to save a lot of seed from intentional crosses as well.

A lot of the pimpinillifolium that I will be growing are said to be disease resistant.

[William Schlegel]

I noticed today that one of my (MS x BH F1) X Aztek micro dwarf cross tomatoes have turned blue. Oh, good I didn't kill the wrong plant. Tomato ended up right under the light when I repositioned the plant a bit a week ago and it has matured a little, so it turned blue! Makes me wonder if the plants I did not think had blue were maybe just further from the light?!

[William Schlegel]

A flower opened today on Sweet cherriette. Would have been sooner but I tried to emasculate the first few with fumbly fingers after a long day. I changed course and emasculated all the MMS x BH F1 flowers. Now I just need the sweet cherriette flowers to release pollen.

I see a stem emerging in a bent loop in one of the Peruvianum accessions Andrew sent me.

[Garrett Schantz]

Planted Today:

Solanum peruvianum Joseph Landrace
Solanum peruvianum HRseeds
L. glandulosum
Off Peruvianum
Off Habro
Unknown - Habro? x Peru Pimp F3 Small seed / fruit
Unknown - Habro? x Peru Pimp F3
Pea pimps - Alberto Shatters / Peru Pimp HRseeds
Chariot tomato
Matt's Wild Cherry
Kamatis Na Ligaw
Woodland Creations Pimpinellifolium
Sara's Galapagos tomato
Everglades tomato
Wild Pink Cherry tomato / Humboldtii
Spoon Tomato
Raindanceseeds - Brian Laufer - Pimpinellifolium
Blue Cream Berries


Ordered some things from Snake River Seeds, Exserted Tiger being one of those things. Also added a few more tomatoes to my list that I posted before, I have more space than I realized - a lot of the newer ones added will probably only be one cell.


Going to try and use Exserted Tiger as a mother for cherry tomatoes / currants - probably habrochaites and a few other wilds.

Will try and use Exserted Orange for larger tomatoes.


Hoping to make a grex out of the pimpinillifolium varieties that I am growing this year, along with the Cheesemaniae and Galapagense varieties that I am also growing. Will probably only select for exsertion when I cross them, keep backcrossing to the original - only keeping the exsertion in the end. Some varieties might get tossed out if it seems like they have the exact same resistances as another type, or they will get mixed in with another variety.


I should probably be able to send seed out at the end of the year if all goes well.


I found some fermenting tomato seeds in jars from who knows when. Couldn't find them when I had them before, one of them had seeds from pea sized purple tomatoes that were seemed to have come from one of the many unmarked varieties that I grew last year - probably a cross with something. Dunno if they will sprout or not, they have probably been fermenting for months - dumped them into soil earlier.

[William Schlegel]

Glad you are interested enough in exserted tiger to buy a pack. It is something I consider now to be a nice line of pre-breeding. Combining exserted stigma, blue skin, and stripes. I myself hope to cross it with the other exserted stigma lines and wild tomatoes at my disposal. Waiting for some seed from the plant of ET in the LA2329 hab block to germinate.

[William Schlegel]

I have germination in LA1708 arcanum, PI306812 peruvianum, lofthouse x barney peruvianum, Andrew's exserted pimpinillifolium, and all five potential cross mothers I planted from last year's LA2329 crossing block. Though mostly just bits of radicle and stem showing except for MMS which has a few cotyledons. I will need to pick potential hybrids quickly and discard most of the rest.

Two more sweet cherriette flowers opened but none released pollen when buzzed just now.

Unfortunately I will have to move my old tomato plants probably on Saturday or Sunday to make way for more seedlings.

Excited about a seed swap in Missoula MT Saturday.

[William Schlegel]

I got a tiny poof of sweet cherriette pollen tonight put it on some MMS x BH F1 stigmas. I think there are five open flowers now so maybe tomorrow I'll get two poofs. Have to move the plants though. Lame.

Germination is proceeding. I see a few more Peruvianium accessions.

Giant trays from the possible LA2329 cross mothers are coming up like a carpet. I'll try to attach the Big Hill HX-9 photo. I sure hope somewhere between 1% and 30% of them are hybrids of some kind especially with LA2329. Hmm it just occurred to me that BH x the other two domestics might be way more antho.

OK I see one stem in the BH that looks more antho. I see one likely hybrid with LA2329 in the Late to produce seed open and exserted promiscuous mother, and two to four likely hybrids in the MMS already. So basically yep, this approach is working and most of the cotyledons still need to emerge. 

[William Schlegel]

Got a tiny bit more pollen out of the sweet cherriette plant today and tried to transfer it to the emasculated stigmas. It has always been a really poor pollen producer when I've been transferring pollen around in the gardens. Then I had to move the plants- sigh!

Went to a seed swap today. Gave away some tomato seeds, got three packets in return including Sandpoint another Idaho bred variety. Maybe I should make a point of including Idaho and North Dakota tomatoes in the ancestry of my Montana tomatoes. Seems mostly like that would just be for history
fun though as none of them are particular standouts though they grow well enough here. Definitely helps for a tomato to have been bred in or near the climate you grow it in or in a comparable climate somewhere. The old Soviet tomatoes that Bill brought back have that same reputation here.

I've prepped four flats for tomato planting tomorrow.

I still don't see many more likely hybrids but the ~4 I mentioned yesterday, but I noticed another category in the MMS flat. A few super broad cotyledens. If I had to hazard a guess though based on the other trays I would guess hybridization with Big Hill a cross I have already made! Will have to let that tray set true leaves and keep the regular leafed ones.

I think what I will have to do is after about a week stick most of those trays out in the greenhouse so that I can use my seedling starting space.

Though I also have MMS x BH F2 seedlings to germinate in a similar fashion to search for potato leaf seedlings and red potato leaf direct seeded exserted seeds to plant to look for regular leaf seedlings.

[William Schlegel]

It is 8 weeks until last frost so today is officially planting time for tomatoes. I have planted over 64 so far today and of course the ones I already planted a week or two or so ago. I have a flat and a half or so left to plant. This below is roughly what I think I have planted excluding a few of the wild accessions:

Afternoon delight
Amethyst Cream
Amethyst Jewel
Atomic Fusion
Atomic Grape
Atomic Sunset
Banana Toes
Barry's Crazy Cherry
Black Beauty
Black Bumblebee
Black Cherry
Black Strawberry
Blue Gold
Blush
Bosque Blue Bumblebee
Bosque Bronze sample original packet
Brandywine Red, Yellow Blend
Cherokee Chocolate
Cherokee Green
Cloudy Day hybrid
Copper Current
Coyote
Dr. Wyche's Yellow
Dwarf Bendigo Moon
Dwarf Brandyfred
Dwarf Desert Star
Dwarf Fred's Tie Dye
Dwarf Galen's Yellow Original Packet
Dwarf Gloria's Treat
Dwarf Kelly Green
Dwarf Orange Cream Original Packet Packed for 2022
Dwarf Purple Hearthrob
Dwarf Saucy Mary
Dwarf Sunny's Pear original packet
Exserted Orange Grown in 2021 Isolated
Flamenco
Flanders Contrast,
Galahad F1
Galapagos Island Tomato #2
Galapagos Island Tomato Type 3
Galapagos Wild Tomato Hairy Strain (Minor) Type 1
Galina
Geranium Kiss reportedly a rugose dwarf that needs staking due to heavy fruit set- kapuler type multiflora inflorescence
giant honey
Golden Currant Tomato
Grushovka original packet
Honeydrop
Indigo Kumquat F3 seven seeds
Iron Lady F1 original packet
ISIS candy
Juane Flamme
Kryptonite
Lizzano F1
Mexico Midget
MMS from LA2329 crossing block NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION
MMS x BH F2 Antho bicolor
Moskvich
Native San/Sun
open and exserted plant that had empty fruits till end of season in la2329 crossing block 2021
Orange Banana
Perestolka
Pink Furry Boar tomatoes 2014
Purple Bumblebee
Purple Zebra F1
Rosella Purple(dwarf),
Sandpoint
Stripes of Yore,
Sungold F1
Sunrise bumblebee
sunrise bumblebee
Terrior Cheesemanii
the one! Exserted open persimmon tropical 2021
Utyonok
Wagner Muddy Waters
Weight in Gold original Packet 2020
White Currant Tomato
Wild Currant Tomato From Peru
Wild Gem
Wild Zebra packed for 2020 original packet from Joseph
Xanadu Green Goddess.
Yellow Centiflor Hypertress Cerry,

[William Schlegel]

I planted more.

[William Schlegel]

On a more garden related note. I moved a couple of my crowded flats to look for hybrids and a couple of my winter tomato plants out to the greenhouse. My wife has been heating it and I put a test extra sweet cherriette plant out there a week ago and it got a smidgeon of what I thought was sunscald, but it has been fine. Thinking about planting a few of the winter tomatoes in the ground out there under the bench. The old but never bloomed LA1410 Solanum galapagense might be really nice to just keep in the greenhouse growing in the ground all summer. Might finally make a cross with it. I planted some more seed, but I think only one germinated- I used the original packet not the fresh seed I grew myself thinking the original might hold some special diversity I missed in my earlier small and successive grow outs. I sort of want to grow enough LA1410 to ensure a field cross with a potato leaf exserted type so maybe I should plant a dense little pot of the newest 2021 seed.

I also transplanted some of my several week-old seedlings into larger small pots. Including LA2329 Solanum chilense which currently has about four sorts of good-looking seedlings. Makes me wonder if I might actually be able to keep it alive and get some seed back from it thereby ensuring it can be used by me for the next ~14 years or so without having to resort to grafting! 

I finally have a seedling from the white currant tomato too- for some reason it has poor germination.

I can't wait for more seedlings to germinate.

[Steph S]

As regards Artisan Seeds, they are PVP protected not utility patented, so there are no restrictions on breeding with them.

For a plant that is reluctant to flower, I would pot it up with a generous amount of bone meal.  That might help if it's not hung up on other environmental cues.

[Randy Simmons]

Started for my garden:
Vesenniye Zamorozky
Jagodka
Kalinka
Exserted Tiger
Exserted Orange
Galina
Terra Cotta
Amana Orange
Start S
Stupice (Seva)
Puerto Cortés

Started MMS x BH F2 in container.

Hoping to use these in a grex.  I only know Amana Orange and Jagodka will succeed for sure since I have never tried the others before.

[William Schlegel]

Always fun to find out what will do well! I am honored you are testing out three that have spent some generations in my garden- you'll have to update me on how they do!?

I planted some of the big one-gallon winter tomatoes into the soil under the greenhouse benches. I hope they survive and don't end up freezing before the last frosts. Sweet Cherriette, Aztek, and LA1410 Solanum galapagense. I hope they bloom out there, and I can make some more crosses in the somewhat controlled greenhouse environment. I want to put the big MMS x BH F1 plant with the three X Aztek fruits on it out there after the fruits ripen. It is a pretty good mother and it is big though a bit floppy.

[William Schlegel]

Planted another 32 cell flat. Planted two cells of "The One Fuyu persimmon flavored 2021 segregate" of the promiscuous project and two of LA1410 Solanum galapagense but I did not bleach the seed for better germination but it was 2021 seed so maybe it will just grow?! The rest of the flat was mostly boring red tomatoes of various kinds but many of which I hadn't planted since 2017.

Looked at my spreadsheet I think I planted close to the entire collection of domestics. Though not the hybrids. I guess I don't see any reason to plant all the commercial hybrid seed except maybe as a grex.

I sorted out three or four little pots of suspected hybrids with LA2329 Solanum habrochaites from the MMS and promiscuous flats. I also thought I maybe found one in the Big Hill flat from the LA2329 crossing block. Still haven't spotted one in the Exserted Tiger flat. I don't know why but the rate seems much less than the first two packets- possibly that one packet that I was extra careful to retain small seeds for was in fact important. The hybrids I am finding are all distinctly thin stems and short cotyledons. I am yet to see if cool regular leaf hybrids will appear in the MMS flat.

Germination is not happening quickly on the four flats I seeded last Sunday. None yet. Maybe I should rotate the trays to the top rack or turn on a little heater I was using when it was cold out.

The three big tomatoes (MMS x BH F1) X Aztek have gotten bigger but they are still kind of that whitish green that means they aren't quite fully developed yet. I would judge them to be bigger than the earlier winter tomatoes the same plant made which I thought were oddly small.