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Re: Tell me more about the Dwarf Tomato Project! :)
« Reply #15 on: 2021-04-10, 09:52:58 AM »
Does anyone know what happens when you cross a dwarf and a determinate? Can you make a determinate dwarf?

Answer is yes here is a determinate dwarf yellow:

https://www.tomatofest.com/Sean_s_Yellow_Dwarf_Organic_Tomato_Seeds_p/tf-0447m.htm

Here is a determinate dwarf red:

https://www.tomatofest.com/Rosella_Crimson_Dwarf_Organic_Tomato_Seeds_p/tf-0428c4.htm
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Re: Tell me more about the Dwarf Tomato Project! :)
« Reply #16 on: 2021-04-10, 10:20:23 AM »
https://www.tomatofest.com/Dwarf_Caitydid_Organic_Tomato_Seeds_p/tf-0153d4.htm

The photo seems to show a antho bicolor. Antho is not mentioned in the description. Pesta Strain Mortgage lifter is apparently a bicolor. Is it also antho? Is Dward Caitydid really antho or is it not? https://osseeds.org/ossi-varieties/dwarf-caitydid/ OSSI description says it has red swirls in and out. I suspect that what I thought from the photo might be antho is actually red skin patches but still a little uncertain. Are there any antho dwarfs? Answer is Yes there is a tomato called Antho Striped Dwarf. Though it does not seem to appear yet on the OSSI seed listing under that name at least.

Also some of the dwarf project plants are very long season, some sources list Dwarf Caitydid as 80 days. Wonder what the relationship between DTM (Days to Maturity) and Dwarf is.

Payette which may be the only rugose leaved dwarf I've ever grown is 68 DTM. So it seems like it might be possible to produce both long DTM dwarfs and short DTM dwarfs. I bet fruit size has a lot to do with the DTM on dwarfs. Payette has relatively small fruits.

I guess I don't see any existing dwarfs that I am excited about particularly. So I am inclined to cross a tomato I like with Payette.

Also I am pretty convinced that the potential Payette cross is a contaminate but will probably let it ride awhile to make sure. Rugose leaves would be telling and those should develop soon.

I overwatered a tray and it is not doing well. Wonder if I should plant a replacement.

https://tgrc.ucdavis.edu/data/acc/genes.aspx
Found this link on tomatoville with instructions to scroll to D. Lots or variations on dwarf genes listed. Intriguing.
« Last Edit: 2021-04-10, 07:29:49 PM by William S. »
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Re: Tell me more about the Dwarf Tomato Project! :)
« Reply #17 on: 2021-04-11, 07:54:18 PM »
http://thetomatolady.com/tomato-varieties/suitable-for-patio-and/dwarf-krainiy-sever.html

I remember direct seeding Krainiy Sever in 2017. It was a great boring red tomato. Pretty early. Wonderful architecture self supporting. In retrospect that is the dwarf trait or a version thereof sometimes referred to as tree type. I have one cell planted into it for 2021. So I guess I have previously grown two dwarf project type dwarfs. Both relatively boring reds.
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Re: Tell me more about the Dwarf Tomato Project! :)
« Reply #18 on: 2021-04-21, 11:04:57 PM »
Payette, Krainy Sever, and Dwarf Hirsutum Cross I suspect these three may all be dwarfs in the dwarf tomato project sense. The rest of the varieties are all much taller. So possibly on Dwarf Hirsutum and confident on the other two. The dwarf hirsutum might be starting to show leaf characters consistent with the rugose potato leaf appearance. All boring reds though but the architecture is intriguing. Now just need to cross them with something exciting.
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Re: Tell me more about the Dwarf Tomato Project! :)
« Reply #19 on: 2021-06-06, 03:34:53 PM »
Does anyone know what happens when you cross a dwarf and a determinate? Can you make a determinate dwarf?

Answer is yes

There are at least a few determinate dwarfs in the project. One that I have grown (and growing again) is "Dwarf Mocha's Cherry" that is a antho grape/elongated determinate dwarf. I thought I had some pictures of the plants in full fruit set, but apparently not. Will try and get some this year.

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Re: Tell me more about the Dwarf Tomato Project! :)
« Reply #20 on: 2021-06-06, 10:52:36 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.craiglehoullier.com/blog1/2020/12/8/2020-garden-year-in-review-dwarf-tomato-project-research-work%3fformat=amp

Craig has two versions of the dwarf mocha's cherry on his 2020 in review page. A cherry and a plum.
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« Reply #21 on: 2021-06-07, 05:36:08 AM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.craiglehoullier.com/blog1/2020/12/8/2020-garden-year-in-review-dwarf-tomato-project-research-work%3fformat=amp

Craig has two versions of the dwarf mocha's cherry on his 2020 in review page. A cherry and a plum.

Oddly enough, I had three plants last year, two produced plum shaped and one produced round shaped. I'm growing a few of each this year. And yes, they were small plants (notes I have show they grew to approximately 2-2.5 ft in height, and fruited like crazy).