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Re: 2022 Tomato Growouts and breeding experiments ideas
« Reply #30 on: 2021-11-29, 03:07:01 PM »
Given the inpending likely teaching job I've passed on stewardship of my crops for the co-op. However with the stipilation that I will try to grow them if no one else steps up.

Also I just got in the mail from wild boar farms: Brad's atomic grape, atomic fusion, kryptonite, and atomic sunset.
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Re: 2022 Tomato Growouts and breeding experiments ideas
« Reply #31 on: 2021-11-29, 08:53:33 PM »
OK been doing some spreadsheet thinking. This here might be what I want to plant.

Maybe

The one fruity promiscuous block
 galapagense and habrochaites LA2329 crossing block
Yellow Grex direct seeded block
MMS X BH block
Everything else block
Salmon bicolor promiscuous no off taste probably not obligate outcrossing block
Iron Lady Crossing Block at the house or just make deliberate crosses in greenhouse before planting




Number               Instructions        2022 Tomato Seed To Plant

1              ALL         Little Pumpkins (Promiscuous project)

2              ALL         blue bicolor mms x bh f1 OR add to Grex and grow F2

3              ALL         the one! Exserted open persimmon tropical 2021 (I plan a huge grow out in 2022 then distribution after)

4              hybrids look for Blue Gold first tomato 12 seeds 2017

5              hybrids look for DS EXSERTED pl red any rl seedling a cross!!! 2021

6              hybrids look for Big Hill hopefully crossed with blue ambrosia 2018

7              hybrids look for Blue Ambrosia good exsertion daubed with pollen mix likely also 2019

8              LA2329 Hybrid   Big Hill LA2329 Crossing block 2021- substantial amount of seed

9              LA2329 Hybrid   Exserted tiger LA2329 crossing block 2021

10           LA2329 Hybrid   favorite promiscuous bicolor from LA2329 Crossing block

11           LA2329 Hybrid   MMS from LA2329 crossing block NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION

12           LA2329 Hybrid   open and exserted plant that had empty fruits till end of season in la2329 crossing block 2021

13           LA2329 Hybrid   promiscuous not exserted la2329 crossing block

14           LA2329 Hybrid   promiscuous plant slightly inserted only three fruits at end of season maybe 20-40 seeds but doesnít feel like much LA2329 crossing block

15           One       Amethyst Cream

16           One       Aztek

17           One       Bosque Bronze sample original packet

18           One       Coyote

19           One       Green Berkeley Tie Die

20           One       Grushovka original packet

21           One       Kibitz original packet

22           One       Pink Furry Boar tomatoes 2014

23           One       reticulate mutation of earls jagodka 2021 NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION!

24           One       Subartic plenty original packet

25           One       Sweet Cherriette original packet

26           One       Terrior Galapagense

27           One       Weight in Gold original Packet 2020

28           One       White Shah

29           One       Wild Zebra packed for 2020 original packet from Joseph

30           One       Dwarf Orange Cream Original Packet Packed for 2022

31           One       Dwarf Galen's Yellow Original Packet

32           One       Dwarf Desert Star

33           One       Dwarf Bendigo Moon

34           One       Dwarf Kelly Green

35           One       Dwarf Saucy Mary Green Striped

36           One       Dwarf Sunny's Pear original packet

37           One       Banana Toes

38           One       Kryptonite

39           One       Atomic Grape Sort of a green fleshed striped blue skinned bicolor

40           One       Atomic Fusion

41           One       Atomic Sunset

42           TEN        LA 1410 Galapagense

43           TEN        Iron lady F1 and f2

44           TEN        LA2329 Grown in 2021

45           TEN        exserted promiscuous salmon bicolor no off taste probably not true obligate 2021

46           TEN        R18 will be g3 2021

47           Yellow Grex        bicolor mms x bh f1 2021

48           Yellow Grex        Blue bicolor big with spots beautiful (sister line to MMS) NOT FOR Distribution 2019

49           Yellow Grex        Blue Gold Tressette sausage to chile shaped good blue!!! 2020 NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION

50           Yellow Grex        Exserted Orange Grown in 2021 Isolated

51           Yellow Grex        Sungold descendents F3 + Josephs

52           Yellow Grex        Yellow Tasty Indigo Kumquat F3 (Originally from Mike in California)

53           Yellow Grex        Yellow Tiger 2019 NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION

54           Yellow Grex        Yellow Tiger 2020 Volunteer NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION

55           Yellow Grex        Blue Gold Tressette 2019 NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION

56           Yellow Grex        Bluest Bicolor NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION parent of MMS 2020

57           Yellow Grex        Brad X Yellow Pear (Chariot) F3 round and Yellow

58           Yellow Grex        double dose blue golden tressette F2 NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION 2020

59           Yellow Grex        Indigo Kumquat F3 seven seeds

60           Yellow Grex        Indigo kumquat original packet from Mike

61           Yellow Grex        MMS Ancestor 2019

62           Yellow Grex        Orange Blue Large NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION 2020

63           Yellow Grex        Pale Yellow F2 with tiny hint of blue 2019

64           Yellow Grex        Pale Yellow Half Strength Blue 2019

65           Yellow Grex        Sungold F3

66           Yellow Grex        Sungold f3 generation in packet

67           Yellow Grex        Ugly Cracking very domestic possible F1 bicolor 2019

68           Yellow Grex        Yellow hint of blue F2 2019

 

Instructions to self: One really means a clump but in one pot, Yellow Grex means dump it into a bag together mix and direct seed,                       

  ALL means plant them all,                         

Ten means plant ten of them not in a clump in separate pots,                   

 Hybrids look for means plant them all in flats and look for hybrids (only keep ~four non-hybrids and only if warranted, that is donít keep any from the off tasting Promiscuous project elites unless they had good rates of hybrids and if so, could still just keep the hybrids!),                           

22 packets to go in Yellow Grex

 

 

 
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Re: 2022 Tomato Growouts and breeding experiments ideas
« Reply #32 on: 2021-11-30, 05:18:43 AM »
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3              ALL         the one! Exserted open persimmon tropical 2021 (I plan a huge grow out in 2022 then distribution after)

Yeah ! \o/

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Re: 2022 Tomato Growouts and breeding experiments ideas
« Reply #33 on: 2021-12-25, 10:50:34 PM »
Starting some tomatoes indoors solely for hybridization attempts / F1 seeds for the next growing season.

1. Woolly Kate - Want an F1 with Exserted Orange

2. Polar Star

3. Wild Gem

4. Purple Smudge - Want an F1 with Exserted Orange

5. Exserted Orange - Mainly using this as a base parent - donating exserted flowers to other varieties and mixing them along the way. Hopefully ending up with another base.

6. Wildling Panamorous - from Forgotten Heirlooms: From Joseph Lofthouse, a cross between a domesticated tomato and 2 wild tomato species. Good stock for breeding projects. Smaller beefsteak with a nice sweet/acid tomato flavor. Unsure of what this is exactly, the Wildling Panamorous from The Experimental Farm Network are a hybrid population. This appears to be more stable? Can't say for sure, could have been a mistake.

7. Neandermato

8. Joseph's Peruvianum - Growing a few of these to help out the "Odd Peruvianum" which didn't have any purpling on the fruit - granted the offspring may already have purple fruits.

9. Odd Peruvianum - Odd type that I grew, had a lot of traits that I liked. Grew better than all of the other Peruvianums in the cold basement - I posted a bunch of images elsewhere.


Exserted Orange should be interesting to grow indoors! Probably going to trim it a bunch like I did with Pimpinellifolium x Habrochaites.

Some of these are quite early, could try for F2 seed if all goes well.


"Odd Peruvianum" came from one of Experimental Farm Network's Peruvianums. Posting a seed comparison with Joseph's mix. Plastic bags make comparing seeds easier.

Moved Wild Gem, Purple Smudge and Exserted Orange and Neandermato into nursery tree pot. Buried stems quite a bit on all of them - some were leggy due to germinating before I came home from vacation before.

Planted a mixed cell of Alberto Shatters and Wild Currant tomato from Peru, a cell of lutescent and a cell of island sunrise tomato.

Planted square pots of chmielewski wild tomato, Galapagos Wild Tomato Minor Type 2 (HRseeds) and Galapagos Island Tomato Type 3.

These other varieties should mostly be at transplanting height at the same time that the others have fruited / flowered. The galapagos tomatoes can take up to 70 - 120 days before they ripen up / begin to flower.

I'm using most of these as pollen donors to Exserted Orange which is early enough. I may cut the others down and use them as grafting material.

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Re: 2022 Tomato Growouts and breeding experiments ideas
« Reply #34 on: 2021-12-25, 11:12:46 PM »
That is fun! Are you emasculating the exserted orange before it releases pollen? I ask because in the summer outside I don't emasculate my exserted varieties, but I do sometimes dust stigmas if I have time. In the winter inside and in the greenhouse, I seem to get away with emasculating without flowers drying out.
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Re: 2022 Tomato Growouts and breeding experiments ideas
« Reply #35 on: 2021-12-26, 04:00:42 AM »
That is fun! Are you emasculating the exserted orange before it releases pollen? I ask because in the summer outside I don't emasculate my exserted varieties, but I do sometimes dust stigmas if I have time. In the winter inside and in the greenhouse, I seem to get away with emasculating without flowers drying out.

Yeah, probably going to try and emasculate the flowers. I usually have better luck emasculating larger tomato varieties like beefsteaks.