Still not sure whether this should be in the "Greens & Brassicas" sub-forum or not. I decided probably not, though a mod can move this thread if needed.
Based on this thread by Klaus
http://opensourceplantbreeding.org/forum/index.php?topic=476.0and this thread i started
http://opensourceplantbreeding.org/forum/index.php?topic=555Dan Brisebois, the breeder of these black-skinned radishes, has written a nice blog post about their breeding history:
https://goingtoseed.wordpress.com/2019/11/15/living-the-radish-breeding-dream/. I also really love the "skunk radishes"!
I've gotten bit by the radish color genetics bug. In addition to starting the mild purple radish selection project I've also planted yellow sweet radishes next to "sichuan-red-beauty-radish". I'm wondering if crossing sichuan-red-beauty that has red flesh to my sweet purple skinned radishes might produce a purple skinned purple fleshed radish. I plan to try.
The interesting thing is that radish skin color genetics has not been explored since 1938! The best paper on google scholar is one mostly in Japanese from 1938! Enough of it is also in English.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ggs1921/14/1-2/14_1-2_39/_pdfThe basic takeaway from the study is that they did almost every skin color cross imaginable, but i think they may have missed a few that would be interesting to do in modern times.
They did:
F2 Red x White
F2 Red x White #2 (and reciprocal)
F2 Purple x White (and reciprocal)
F2 Yellow x White
F2 Black x White
F2 Red x Yellow
F2 Red x Yellow #2
F2 Green x Yellow
F2 Purple x Yellow
F2 Purple x Red
F2 Black x Red
Backcross F1 (black x red) x red
F2 Black x Purple
F2 Black x Yellow
The results of three of the crosses were VERY interesting when compared to the others. These were:
F2 Red x Yellow #2 = Purple, Red, Yellow, White in 9:3:3:1 ratio
F2 Red x White #2 = Purple, Red, White in 9:3:4 ratio
F2 Purple x Yellow = Purple, Yellow, White in 12:3:1 ratio
It is clear from these results radish skin color genetics wants to behave in a 9:3:3:1 ratio. But in the case of Red x White there is no yellow locus available so the ratio skews in the favor of white instead. In the case of Purple x Yellow there is no red locus available so the ratio skews in favor of purple instead of red.
Trying to figure out black skin color has also been very interesting and very confusing. According to the study they came to the conclusion that black and yellow might be on the same chromosome and that is why you can never seem to get black and yellow at the same time. After reviewing the data thoroughly, this is possible, in which case i think it might still be possible to get black and yellow together if you were to cross black and yellow radishes over and over and over in order to try and break that tight linkage and get a very rare recombination. That would be very cool for someone to try.
Another possibility for black skin genetics is that black and yellow are NOT on the same chromosome, but rather how the yellow gene works. It is very likely that the way the yellow color works in radishes (as it does in many other crops) is that the yellow radish gene actually breaks all expression of anthocyanins and leaves only the expression of the carotene content behind. If this is true then black and yellow are on separate chromosomes but will never be able to be together as a yellow radish could actually be hiding a black skinned gene.
The two crosses regarding black skin color that are the most interesting are:
F2 Black x Red = BP, P, BR, R, B, W with a 27:9:9:3:12:4 ratio!
F2 Black x Purple = BP, P, B, W with a 9:3:3:1 ratio
and backcross F1 (black x red) x red = BP, BR, P, R in 1:1:1:1 ratio
Instead of getting just black, purple, red, and white the results are more interesting with two new phenotypes being "Blackish-Red" and "Blackish-Purple".
This makes me wonder if a Blackish-Yellow is actually possible or not. Additionally theoretically there should be the possibility for orange radishes. And indeed there are some rare orange radishes seen online at farmers markets in NYC and Vermont or the north-east area of the united states. One photo of these actually appears to be a bicolor orange-red. If it is indeed a bicolor it might be possible it is actually a pinkish-yellow or redish-yellow instead of a unique orange locus of the yellow gene. Though either possibility is interesting and exciting. I would love to get my hands on an orange radish to find out. Could open up a whole new phenotype of radish!
I will follow-up this post soon with the relevant genotype information and any problems i may have found with the 1938 study.