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Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« on: 2021-04-18, 08:55:05 AM »
In a fruit of blue of hungary with a weight of 100g (he has grow at shadow the last year) i have found of very small seeds.They look like viable.
It worth it to sow them?
Can i selected for a plant able to grow in planter?
« Last Edit: 2021-04-18, 09:16:12 AM by Adrian »

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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #1 on: 2021-04-18, 09:31:09 AM »
I get small seeds in small fruits as well. It is not necessarily genetic. Life may just have been tough for the parent. I try sometimes to plant a border of squash to repel deer. Sometimes I don't get part of it watered or it is poor soil. When this happens sometimes the plants end up very small and produce a few very small poor fruits. It might be worth a little experiment. In terms of planting half the seeds in a limited environment such as a container and half in very good soil to see what happens. Wonder if squash abuse leads to epigenetic change?
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #2 on: 2021-04-18, 11:30:25 AM »
The parent has grow in not terrible conditions: at shadow under a tall cherry tree in a clay soil.He is stayed too long ago in his pot before the transplantation.
For speak about of epygenetic i don't know.The cotyledons will be very small.The weaks plants are eaten by the slugs in full ground.I will try one plant in greenhouse in a planter and a potting soil with mychorize N=6 P=7 K=8.
It would interessant to found a vigorous plant with small cotyledons!
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #3 on: 2021-05-07, 10:03:08 AM »
One seed has germinate and the result look like better than i had thinked!
The cotyledons are tall for the size of the seed!
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #4 on: 2021-05-25, 01:39:55 PM »
unfortunately the plant was totaly attacked by the fly of the seedling, she has not root.
I have ptr her in waterand i will did it in humid potting soil for try a cutting!
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #5 on: 2021-06-06, 04:17:44 AM »
The cutting look like restarted!

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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #6 on: 2021-06-24, 08:19:14 AM »
I will try to resow a small seed!
The cutting is alive but i think she will not able to did fruit.
I have found a small moschata seed it may funny to see she will  give.
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #7 on: 2021-06-26, 02:16:32 PM »
 The blue color is totaly recesive.It possible to create a blue vigorous squash with a stabile genetic?
I have  sow again a seed of the parent and i have found the problem , at a moment the apical meristhem has lot of male flower but little and small leafs and the plant has not the vigor for growing.The grow is totaly stopped.
If i cut the male flowers at the meristhem apical can i increas the vigor of the parent and developped the leafs or it more worst?

It surprising, the fruit or i have take the seeds od the parent was  weight of 4kg.

I will try to sow a seed of the parent of 4 kg and the parent of 100g and compare their developpement.
Sometimes the most smalls seeds give the betters plants!
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #8 on: 2021-06-29, 03:43:56 AM »
A seed has germinate in a planter in greehouse but i don't know if it is a seed of the fruit of 100g or a seed of the variety delica.I have sow a lot of seeds in this planter!
We can see that the cotyledons are smalls!

I think that a weak plant grow in goods conditions can give more big seeds as greenhouse with more nutrients for the next generation.
For the epygenetic i don't know but it may dangerous dor me to autofecondated a so weak plant.
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #9 on: 2021-07-19, 09:27:07 AM »
I have sow one one seed of this squash in fullground and one seed of the parent for compared rheir developpement.

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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #10 on: 2021-08-14, 01:03:18 AM »
The plant issue of the small seeds is less vigorous but she look more early than the parent.He did male flowers at the firsts internodes.
The parent did ramifications at the firsts internodes.
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Re: Cucurbita maxima very small seeds
« Reply #11 on: 2021-08-23, 09:40:03 AM »
I don't know if this variety is delica f1 or blue of hungary.
I have tryed to hybrided this with a butternut.
Delica is normaly an hybrid between sweet mama and blue kuri.The fruit look green.
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