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OSSI pledged varieties / Outredgeous in Suttons Catalogue
« Last post by triffid on Today at 01:19:38 PM »
Suttons Seeds over here in the UK has listed Outredgeous lettuce in their spring catalogue and online. https://www.suttons.co.uk/Gardening/Vegetable-Seeds/All-Vegetable-Seeds/Lettuce-Outredgeous_167882.htm#167882

Which is a big deal! They're one of the most well-known garden supply companies in Britain...
Sadly it would seem they've conveniently omitted the OSSI-Pledge and any other relevant information.
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Plant Breeding / Re: Pea passport info - can anybody explain please
« Last post by Carol Deppe on Today at 12:09:38 PM »
Each variety of pea has, as part of it's defining characteristics, the first node at which it is capable of flowering, weather permitting. Peas don't flower until it is warm enough. So when a variety flowers may or may not be on the defined node depending on when it was planted and the weather.
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Plant Breeding / Re: Wild Onions & Breeding with them
« Last post by Ferdzy on Today at 06:21:44 AM »
@Walt, this is interesting. I have had a little patch of fistulosum for years, and never worried about whether they were blooming at the same time as onions or shallots. They have just about died out - the few that were left bloomed last year but formed no seed. I don't think they would have contributed much to our onion gene pool as they are about 200 feet away from where the onions usually are. Not sure what I will do with this info, but maybe something. Thanks.
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I don't know of anything that is easier to sprout, any growing tip 3 - 4 inches long can just be chopped off and rooted. It's just speculation but I bet if the weather has cooled to where above ground growth has slowed the roots probably are't growing either. You can also dig the plants, remove the big storage roots and pot up or replant the whole thing.

By waiting to harvest you may be on the way to answering a question I have. That is, is there a point where a root is past mature? I mean is there a point it is good to eat or store after which it gets woody, or pithy or starts sprouting new shoots or something? I suspect that might be the case but I haven't done the experiments to see for sure.
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Plant Breeding / Re: Pea passport info - can anybody explain please
« Last post by galina on Today at 03:29:59 AM »
Yeah, that's what i'm thinking,  that it is telling you when the first flower will appear,  but not saying how tall the pea makes it at full maturity. Also,  yeah what if you have a crazy mutant that branches 5 times like I did once,  do all the nodes on each branch go into that number too? Too bad total nodes are not listed,  but how useful is that info anyway if something like branching affects it?

One of the varieties I looked at that made no sense, has indeed 4 basal stems.  Maybe counting all the nodes on all those will indeed mean that a pea that appears to have its first flowers at 6 foot plus, is actually flowering at a more usual height, just not on all 4 stems simultaneously.
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Plant Breeding / Re: Breeding Sweet Potatoes (early stage)
« Last post by reed on Today at 03:21:43 AM »
Lauren, you say you are starting in green house to extend growing time. Where are you located, is your growing season generally considered too short or cool  for sweet potatoes?
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Plant Breeding / Re: Wild Onions & Breeding with them
« Last post by Walt on Yesterday at 01:10:45 PM »
From 1978 through 1981 I was in charge of 14 hectares of onions being grown for seed, in Rep. du Niger.  During that time I made the cross A. fistulosum x A. cepa 'Violet de Galmi'.  The hybrid was extremely vigorous, and did produce seed when open pollinated near The field of V. de G onions.  Three years is only 1.5 onion generations so I don't know anything about the presumed backcros and/or F2 seedlings.
About 1983 USDA Beltsville MD. released 'Beltsvill Bunching' onion, an amphiploid of cepa and fistulosum.  I don't remember which was the seed parent.  It was vigorous and was nearly evergreen in zone 6.  It was perennial and I had it for some years.  I didn't take any when I moved, thinking it would be easy to get seed again.  WRONG!  It seems it never caught on with gardeners.  No companies were selling the seed.  Beltsville didn't have more seed.  No one in SSE offered it or responded to my post about wanting it.
Beltsville Bunching had a swelling where A. cepa would have a bulb.  A. fistulosum x 'Violet de Galmi' had a much bigger swelling there.  Almost a bulb.  But being more or less evergreen, it didn't need a bulb.
I have often thought about remaking the cross, using a bigger gene base and selecting for bulbs.  Too busy so far.
The cross is easy.  Just get them to bloom together.  Or maybe saving pollen would work.  I never tried saving onion pollen.
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Plant Breeding / Re: Pea passport info - can anybody explain please
« Last post by Andrew Barney on Yesterday at 05:52:20 AM »
Yeah, that's what i'm thinking,  that it is telling you when the first flower will appear,  but not saying how tall the pea makes it at full maturity. Also,  yeah what if you have a crazy mutant that branches 5 times like I did once,  do all the nodes on each branch go into that number too? Too bad total nodes are not listed,  but how useful is that info anyway if something like branching affects it?
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Plant Breeding / Re: Pea passport info - can anybody explain please
« Last post by galina on Yesterday at 12:04:44 AM »
Thank you both for your possible explanations.  Very annoying when you rely on their data being correct otherwise.  The only other thought I had is that they count all the nodes on potential multiple stems before flower, but that does not seem likely either.  I will also try to remember and observe whether all nodes on plants are more or less evenly spaced.  It could be that the first internode  is much longer than subsequent ones. 

Triffid, I have sent you a message on another forum regarding this.  I have never tried crossing a pink flowering and a yellow podded pea.  A double recessive cross.  It is a pretty combination for sure. 
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Plant Breeding / Re: Pea passport info - can anybody explain please
« Last post by Raymondo on 2019-03-18, 09:17:06 PM »
Perhaps the first refers to overall internode length. The final height is not given, only the height to the (presumably first) flower.
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