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Cucurbits / Re: Tetsukabuto croce
« Last post by William S. on Yesterday at 08:26:03 AM »
I think so, I tend to get good pollination on squashes. However, less pollinated seeds probably means a smaller squash. Within genetic limits for variety on squash size. However in 2017 I planted a much larger squash patch and the bulk of it was from seed from one large maxima grown in 2016. So it's possibe for me with just seed from one squash to plant a huge area!
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Cucurbits / Re: Tetsukabuto croce
« Last post by Adrian on Yesterday at 01:22:24 AM »
It's a beautiful land!
The compatibility of the pollen could play on the size of the fruit?
 
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Cucurbits / Re: Tetsukabuto croce
« Last post by William S. on 2020-07-02, 11:59:52 AM »
Yes, but less of it is squash filled than most recent years. So it is relatively less squash. Thus a little squash garden. I should take a photo from up on the hill . Total is maybe 3/4 acre this year but I have six tomato patches 150 feet from each other this year. Only three squash patches (some in combo with tomatoes). This one, a moschata patch that isn't doing well behind it, and a pepo patch for Josephs strain of crookneck. I thought I would plant more squash but it didn't happen and I am glad because I am still working on weeding the corn at least once. The corn is ~19 rows, each about 70 feet long. Wish it was tomatoes not corn!

Edit: added photo from a bit up the hill.
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Cucurbits / Re: Tetsukabuto croce
« Last post by Kim K. on 2020-07-02, 05:56:07 AM »
William, "little" is relative.

Wow you have a lot of space!
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Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« Last post by Ben S. on 2020-07-01, 08:39:08 PM »
That makes sense.

Hopefully I have better luck outdoors. I did a few hand pollinated crosses years ago with apparent success, but haven't tried this in a long time. If it comes to it, I'll try growing a few indoors sometime later.

I read your thread about exserted stigmas a while back, and Joseph Lofthouse's post on his site about the same. I've started collecting seed for some known exserted varieties, including some wild ones. At some point I'll do a plot of all of them planted nearly on top of each other and let them have a freaky plant party.
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Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« Last post by William S. on 2020-07-01, 03:38:14 PM »
Yep, if you can use pollen from something with a dominant trait (anthocyanin usually shows up as codominant), you'll just be able to see it in the F1.

I have trouble with flowers I emasculate drying out in the field. They seem fine inside or in the greenhouse. However in the field I can't seem to get crosses. So I've been relying on exserted stigma varieties and just doing partial crosses or even bee crosses.
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Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« Last post by Ben S. on 2020-07-01, 03:24:10 PM »
Questions for reisetomate growers. These flowers that result in the complex fruits. Are some of the stigmas exposed? This is important because it results in greater cross pollination. Second question. If you have a pollination tool. Can you collect substantial released pollen from the flower? Sounds like from Ben's dissection description there is a lot of pollen when dissected, so I'm just curious to know if the pollen blasts out and how much? Some varieties in my experience seem to produce relatively little and others abundantly.

Another thought is partial crossing. Emasculate a clump flower as best as possible and cross with something obvious in the F1. No need to get 100% crosses if you can easily Identify the crossed seedlings at a young age. Potato leaf as mother works well for this as any regular leaf seedlings are crosses.

I didn't notice exposed stigmas in any of the flowers I was working with, but I also wasn't specifically looking for that and it was getting dark. I'll take a more thorough look next time I'm out there. I haven't tried to get any pollen out of the reisetomate flowers yet (well, not deliberately anyway). I'll see if I can do a comparison with a more standard tomato flower at some point. Judging from my fingers, there was a lot packed in there, but it also seemed to be wrapped up pretty tight inside the flower.

Not sure I'm quite understanding your partial crossing comment. Is the idea to only worry about hitting some of the stigmas in the flower and allow the rest to self, then just sort them out later?
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Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« Last post by William S. on 2020-07-01, 10:14:27 AM »
when I grew it,
most of them ripened at the same time
maybe 30% were uneven
growing it this year as well, but like last time, growing it with other tomatoes,
guess I should bag the flowers to see to if I can get a pure ripening version

You want to bag for seed saving the pure line?

One alternative would be to grow out seeds from unbagged plants and look for crosses assuming the other tomatoes you are growing are interesting potential crosses. Out crossing rates are fairly low, so if you grow 100 seedlings most will be uncrossed. I got 20% off types on some seed that was supposed to be pure from another grower this year. That's still 80% original.

Questions for reisetomate growers. These flowers that result in the complex fruits. Are some of the stigmas exposed? This is important because it results in greater cross pollination. Second question. If you have a pollination tool. Can you collect substantial released pollen from the flower? Sounds like from Ben's dissection description there is a lot of pollen when dissected, so I'm just curious to know if the pollen blasts out and how much? Some varieties in my experience seem to produce relatively little and others abundantly.

Another thought is partial crossing. Emasculate a clump flower as best as possible and cross with something obvious in the F1. No need to get 100% crosses if you can easily Identify the crossed seedlings at a young age. Potato leaf as mother works well for this as any regular leaf seedlings are crosses.
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Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« Last post by spacecase0 on 2020-07-01, 12:59:41 AM »
when I grew it,
most of them ripened at the same time
maybe 30% were uneven
growing it this year as well, but like last time, growing it with other tomatoes,
guess I should bag the flowers to see to if I can get a pure ripening version
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Tomatoes / Re: Composite/compound in domestic? tomatoes
« Last post by Ben S. on 2020-06-30, 12:55:20 PM »
Iíve had a few of these flowers this year on my Falenís First Snow plants (a mutation of Cherokee Purple with variegated foliage).

Photos show the flowers a few weeks ago, and then fruits a few days ago. The two big fruits toward the left and bottom came out of the fused flower. In person, theyíre about twice as big as the others.
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