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Dakota Sport is a sport therefore a somatic mutation of Crimson Sprinter. It has been done.
Legumes / Re: Breeding New Kidney Beans
« Last post by triffid on Yesterday at 05:39:11 PM »
Very difficult to qualify what is and isn't a Kidney Bean, perhaps there is more than one definition... in the past, that was a catch-all term for P. vulgaris, at least in British English. It appears that no distinction was made for of seed shape, climbing habit or whether the variety was grown for green pods or dried beans.

The English 3rd edition of Vilmorin's The Vegetable Garden, 1920, has a chapter titled 'Kidney Bean, or French Bean', reserving the title of 'Common Bean' for Vicia faba. Edible-podded varieties with round seeds are even referred to as Kidney Beans, only to then be described as having 'egg-shaped seeds'. It's apparent that by this point the term was thoroughly detached from a prerequisite for, or connection to, kidney shape.

White Coco, or Lazy Wife, Kidney Bean. Stem green, about 6 1/2 ft. high; leaves of medium size, stiff, rather long and pointed, of a dark, rather dull, green, and slightly crimped; flowers white; pods of medium length, rather broad, green, each containing five or six white egg-shaped seeds, about 1/2 in. long, nearly 1/2 in. broad, and over 1/4 in. thick.

But it appears that any obligation for true kidney-like appearance was disregarded even in the early days. Gerard cites Kidney Beans in 1597. Here again this designation is used broadly for P. vulgaris; he mostly describes climbing sorts and distinguishes them by the colour of the seedcoat. They're eaten exclusively in the immature pod stage, boiled with butter. The illustrations include some bean seeds that aren't particularly kidney-shaped.

When the term evolved from denoting 'all vulgaris types' to just 'kidney-shaped beans with red skins' is unclear, but must have been some time in the latter half of the 20th century, as a Carter's catalogue I have here from 1934 is still calling all dwarf varieties Kidney Beans.
Legumes / Re: Breeding New Kidney Beans
« Last post by Diane Whitehead on Yesterday at 05:13:56 PM »
To get back to Andrew's search for different kinds of kidney beans:

The Sixth Edition of Garden Seed Inventory, originally begun by Kent Whealy and updated by Joanne Thuente was published in 2004 by Seed Savers Exchange.  I don't know if there is a more recent edition.

It lists these kidney beans and their sources:

Aztec Red, Brick Red, California Red, Charlevoix Dark Red, Dark Red, Large Red, Light Red, Mull, Pink, Purple, Ralph Dutcher White, Red, Redkloud, Troomly's Dark Red, White

The source for Troomly's is out of business but I could look up some of the others if you are interested.

Legumes / Re: Breeding New Kidney Beans
« Last post by Diane Whitehead on Yesterday at 04:23:52 PM »
Seems to be the red colour, though I don't know whether non-kidney red beans also can be toxic.  I've seen warnings about not using a slow cooker to cook kidney beans, as slow cookers don't reach a high enough temperature to eliminate the PHA.

From Ohio State University:

Other types of beans also contain PHA, but it’s much more concentrated in red kidney beans. For example, the unit of measurement for the toxin is called “hau,” for “hemagglutinating unit.” Raw red kidney beans have anywhere from 20,000 to 70,000 hau, but that drops to 200 to 400 hau when the beans are fully cooked — not enough to be a problem. White kidney beans, or cannellini beans, contain only about one-third of the toxin as red kidney beans. Broad beans, or fava beans, contain just 5 to 10 percent of what’s in red kidney beans.
Community & Forum Building / Re: Welcome and Introduce Yourself!
« Last post by reed on Yesterday at 03:59:55 PM »
Welcome Tim and Ryan, nice to have some new folks on board.
Legumes / Re: Breeding New Kidney Beans
« Last post by reed on Yesterday at 03:40:13 PM »
Raw kidney beans contain high amounts of a toxic protein called phytohaemagglutinin (1).
Phytohaemagglutinin is found in many beans but is particularly high in red kidney beans.
So, is it the word "kidney" you got to look out for or is it the color red, especially dark red?
Legumes / Re: Breeding New Kidney Beans
« Last post by Diane Whitehead on Yesterday at 10:37:23 AM »

Kidney beans are a variety of the common bean (Phaseolus vulgaris)

They come in a variety of colors and patterns, including white, cream, black, red, purple, spotted, striped, and mottled.

Raw kidney bean toxicity

Raw kidney beans contain high amounts of a toxic protein called phytohaemagglutinin (1).

Phytohaemagglutinin is found in many beans but is particularly high in red kidney beans.

Kidney bean poisoning has been reported in both animals and humans. In humans, the main symptoms include diarrhea and vomiting, sometimes requiring hospitalization (52, 53).

Soaking and cooking the beans eliminates most of this toxin, making properly prepared kidney beans safe, harmless, and nutritious (27, 52).

Before consumption, kidney beans should be soaked in water for at least 5 hours and boiled at 212°F (100°C) for at least 10 minutes (54).

Legumes / Re: Bean cross
« Last post by Diane Whitehead on Yesterday at 10:28:52 AM »

thread from 2019:     1/2 or semi-runner beans (Phaseolus vulgaris)
Corn / UK Maize
« Last post by Tim DH on Yesterday at 09:16:03 AM »
I’m not aware of any Maize growing for human consumption in the UK, apart from the notable exception of Sweetcorn.

My own maize now crops around 600grams per square metre, which compares very favourably to the around 300g/m I get from Wheat or Rye. This is hardly surprising, not least of all because Wheat and Rye stop growing before our best Summer weather!

I originally got interested in Maize as a potential filler for the potato gap, that period of the year when last season’s spuds are gone and this season’s have yet to come in. Some years down the track, Maize forms a much larger part of the household diet, partly because my (Brazilian born) wife objects to potatoes more than three times a week!

At first most Maize was consumed ‘whole grain’, tho’ a little was dry ground to flour. Now most of it is prepared with ash and wet ground. Our woodburning stove, which is only fed untreated wood, provides the ash.

In following posts I’ll detail some of the Maize experiments I’ve conducted over the last two decades.
Legumes / Re: Breeding New Kidney Beans
« Last post by Joseph Lofthouse on Yesterday at 08:49:47 AM »
My take, is that "Kidney Bean" is a marketing gimmick, describing beans that resemble the shape and color of kidneys.

Then we get into beans that are kidney shaped, but the wrong color, and people still want to call some of them kidney beans, but not others. I can't imagine anyone calling yellow goat's eye beans "kidney" even though they are more kidney shaped than the "red kidney" beans from the store. Does a multi-colored seed coat automatically eliminate something from being a kidney bean, even though it is kidney shaped?

But if it has the right color, but the wrong shape, then people ain't calling them kidney beans any more. Seems arbitrary and capricious to me.

I just sorted through my bean stash. It's filled with kidney shaped bean varieties that are the wrong color....

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