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Tomatoes / Tomato communication
« on: Today at 01:49:10 PM »

I bet tomato plants are all like. How's the water over there? You got any spare nutrients? Hey there's a bug biting me: everyone make more defensive chemicals!

It's been a cold wet spring. With occasionally a few hot days. The fava beans have fruit set finally far down on the stalks.

I think the switch is flipped though and dry season is starting. 80s...

Tomatoes however- well there are a few. I spot green tomatoes on Wild Child, Exserted Orange, and Payette. Though literally only on ~3 individual plants so far.

Some of the domestic blossoms have aborted because of the weird weather.

I didn't plant anything like Siletz which forms it's first fruits without pollination. Too bad. This may have been the year to plant it!

The Bombus are about but they aren't really visiting the tomatoes yet. Soon I suppose.

Lots of flowers no fruits yet on most tomatoes including the obligate out crossers. Those won't set fruit till the Bombus get into tomato mode. Every year they do this. Maybe the thill of Monarda fistulosa has to fade a little or maybe brood needs protein from pollen at a certain stage. Dunno why. Guess it gives time to see which ones abort and do not self.

Cucurbits / Re: Tetsukabuto croce
« on: 2020-07-03, 08:26:03 AM »
I think so, I tend to get good pollination on squashes. However, less pollinated seeds probably means a smaller squash. Within genetic limits for variety on squash size. However in 2017 I planted a much larger squash patch and the bulk of it was from seed from one large maxima grown in 2016. So it's possibe for me with just seed from one squash to plant a huge area!

Cucurbits / Re: Tetsukabuto croce
« on: 2020-07-02, 11:59:52 AM »
Yes, but less of it is squash filled than most recent years. So it is relatively less squash. Thus a little squash garden. I should take a photo from up on the hill . Total is maybe 3/4 acre this year but I have six tomato patches 150 feet from each other this year. Only three squash patches (some in combo with tomatoes). This one, a moschata patch that isn't doing well behind it, and a pepo patch for Josephs strain of crookneck. I thought I would plant more squash but it didn't happen and I am glad because I am still working on weeding the corn at least once. The corn is ~19 rows, each about 70 feet long. Wish it was tomatoes not corn!

Edit: added photo from a bit up the hill.

Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« on: 2020-07-01, 03:38:14 PM »
Yep, if you can use pollen from something with a dominant trait (anthocyanin usually shows up as codominant), you'll just be able to see it in the F1.

I have trouble with flowers I emasculate drying out in the field. They seem fine inside or in the greenhouse. However in the field I can't seem to get crosses. So I've been relying on exserted stigma varieties and just doing partial crosses or even bee crosses.

Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« on: 2020-07-01, 10:14:27 AM »
when I grew it,
most of them ripened at the same time
maybe 30% were uneven
growing it this year as well, but like last time, growing it with other tomatoes,
guess I should bag the flowers to see to if I can get a pure ripening version

You want to bag for seed saving the pure line?

One alternative would be to grow out seeds from unbagged plants and look for crosses assuming the other tomatoes you are growing are interesting potential crosses. Out crossing rates are fairly low, so if you grow 100 seedlings most will be uncrossed. I got 20% off types on some seed that was supposed to be pure from another grower this year. That's still 80% original.

Questions for reisetomate growers. These flowers that result in the complex fruits. Are some of the stigmas exposed? This is important because it results in greater cross pollination. Second question. If you have a pollination tool. Can you collect substantial released pollen from the flower? Sounds like from Ben's dissection description there is a lot of pollen when dissected, so I'm just curious to know if the pollen blasts out and how much? Some varieties in my experience seem to produce relatively little and others abundantly.

Another thought is partial crossing. Emasculate a clump flower as best as possible and cross with something obvious in the F1. No need to get 100% crosses if you can easily Identify the crossed seedlings at a young age. Potato leaf as mother works well for this as any regular leaf seedlings are crosses.

Personally now I have ~5 exserted strains, it seems logical to me to just keep planting them together for a few years. Probably end up with more. That's not even including the obligate out crossing project!

Tomatoes / Re: Reisetomate / "Traveler tomato" project
« on: 2020-06-29, 10:20:44 PM »

Cucurbits / Re: Tetsukabuto croce
« on: 2020-06-27, 10:38:05 PM »
Weeded my little squash patch today. 15 or so Lofthouse buttercup, three tetsukabuto F1, and 5 of the G2 of Autumn's choice a colorful moschata but the G2 is probably crossed with Lofthouse and Mike's grex though there was a tiny bit of Rancho Marquez pollen out there. So a hybrid(s) of a hybrid to make a new hybrid!

Plant Breeding / Re: increasing the outbreeding rate
« on: 2020-06-26, 09:50:55 AM »
It is sure working well for tomatoes as a strategy. Is it applicable to all crops or even all plant species?

With many plant species increasing pollinator presence may help. Potentially even for wind pollinated species. Even insect presence period. In one of the one straw revolution books it was noted that grasshoppers opened rice heads and lead to crossing. Pollinators rob pollen from wind pollinated species. Evolutionarily there is a pathway there. Then within pollinator complexes there are obligate pollen and nectar robbers. Ants and beetles that chew through plant flower parts. This can lead to cross pollination in selfie species. If there is an evolutionary disadvantage to selfish after a point, occasional insect mediated pollination may solve that for some plant species. The thing is we aren't all gifted with the same pollinator complex. Though by gardening without anything which could affect pollinators and by intentionally raising lots of pollinator plants, partucularly a wide diversity of native plants we can embellish the pollinator complexes we do have. Then I think it can just be important that we do this work collaboratively. You never know who has the right environmental conditions for open pollination in a grain or the right insect to chew it open at the right time.

During the workweek I am at my parents apartment. I brought seven of my tomatoes here. 5 are blooming. I was checking for exsertion. Exserted orange check. Blue gold ambrosia check. Then a surprise. Sweet cherriette = Exsertion, this has to be due to wet feet in a self watering pot, probably will stop as the plant matures. Blue bicolor not exserted though grandparents were a little.

Plant Breeding / Re: Camassia
« on: 2020-06-20, 11:38:19 AM »
Um it should either be the scilloides or angusta from prairie moon nursery!

Interesting though...

Plant Breeding / Re: Miner's Lettuce
« on: 2020-06-20, 07:43:54 AM »
No advice on seed storage! I've wild collected some that did not germinate at least not on my schedule! It does best for me just allowed to reseed themselves. Mine have ripe seed at the moment and about five late germinating plants of perfoliata have reappeared. I need to pick some seed.

Plant Breeding / Re: Camassia
« on: 2020-06-20, 07:40:23 AM »
Hi Zach. I just photographed what I hope is species number five in the back yard garden. Blooming out of sync with the others.

I bought a single variety of lechtlinii, single of cusickii, and a single of quamash, then the angusta and scilloides are seed grown from prairie moon nursery.

For first year bulbs grown in Holland the lechtlinii and cusickii are huge. However I see wild quamash just as big

My phenology is behind you but I think seeds are forming on the cultivars and thus probably lechtlinii x cusickii?!

I got new catalogs this spring from the bulb outfit I got the cultivars from. I noticed in detailed descriptions that some are believed to be interspecies hybrids.

Orion the quamash variety I got bulbs for is later than the local quamash. Also in the description it's noted to be a hybrid in the catalog. Though not of what!

Tremendous number of quamash subspecies. However there is local variation not so denoted. For instance east side of divide is dark purple and west side is light blue.

LA 1777 is an important progenitor of the promiscuous tomato project.

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