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Tomatoes / Re: Tell me more about the Dwarf Tomato Project! :)
« on: 2020-06-22, 02:00:17 AM »
From what I understand, and I was  not part of the project to any great extent. The aim of the project was to produce plants suitable for patio and other restricted area growing in pots that had the full range of colours and flavours that one would normally expect in indeterminate plants, thus allowing the growing of high quality tomatoes in areas where a small number of full size plants would be a crowd

It would be good to see your progress Reed, those two compact growers with clump roots sound interesting.   What colour skin/flesh do they have,  I assume that they are tasty and not fibrous otherwise you would not be keeping them separate.

Likewise, I agree with Reed and Frenzy, for while I do not know a lot about the Koppen system,  just seeing the difference in soil types between here and the other side of Trafalgar,  less than 5 miles distant with no climate change and yet a lot of what I have to grow in raised beds here would be easily grown in the native soil there.

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Ipomoea species breeding for edible roots
« on: 2020-05-30, 02:47:22 AM »
An interesting mix of species you have there.  Would be interested in getting some from you when the frost season here is over.

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Breeding Sweet Potato in Australia
« on: 2020-05-30, 02:44:26 AM »
S. Simonsen,  would be very interested in getting some of these slips off you in several months.   At this stage will be away in September so will be aiming for slip arrival in early October

Don't know of any other moschata with naked seeds,  but you may want to check out Pumpkin Paradise on ebay Australia for possibilities

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Breeding Sweet Potato in Australia
« on: 2020-05-19, 10:20:56 AM »
I have a number of 33 liter (8,7 US gallon) tubs that I can drill holes in the bottom of for growing those varieties that spread there roots out.  Like you Reed, I do not think there is any real advantage in using that sort of root development genetics in a breeding program, but then I need to get them to flower first!  Thinking more of controlling where the roots spread so that one does not ruin half the crop digging it.  Will be locating the holey tubs on concrete blocks and 8x2 sleepers so that the roots will be well clear of the ground and will harvest simply by tipping them out.  Have put feelers out to see if I can get confirmation of varieties of purchased plants.

Useful information thanks gents.  Have seen the same with Kang Kong, I. aquatica and started planting them deep, think I will go a bit deeper still next season

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Breeding Sweet Potato in Australia
« on: 2020-05-19, 01:46:21 AM »
Chris, Clunkers like those you pictured could well have machinery adapted for them, agreed.  Some of those that are not so regular, which is more what I was thinking about, would be difficult, particularly curly ones.

Further to the SP report above,  dug all the purples from Bunnings today, some nice roots under them, but all between 300 and 500mm or 12 to 20 inches away from plant stem.  Lots spiked with the fork unfortunately.  If I grow this one again, it will be in a pot I can tip to empty to find the roots, be much easier than trying to dig them at double fork depth.

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Breeding Sweet Potato in Australia
« on: 2020-05-18, 12:42:22 AM »
Chris, agree with you in principal about the clunkers being good for processing, however the problem with clunkers is that they are not a standard size and more particularly shape.  In a commercial processing operation where everything is machine cut, it is not possible to have a machine that can needs to be adjusted for every root that is different in size and shape,  then there is the problem of peeling roots that spiral around where one does not want peel preventing use in soup or puree.

I have summerised my season to date below:

Orange ex Bunnnings:  Beauregard is what I thought that these were, but they appear to be a bit redder than last year so they may be Evangeline, need to define the differences more in my head to be sure.
Either way the nine plants were very productive, between 2 and 5.5 kg per plant roughly. Have not weighed all the roots, but based on approx. 3 kg per plant, yield  = 27kg or around 59lb.  Have just spent some more time on web, it would appear that Evangline has reddish new growth, Beaugread green. If that holds true I have Evangline.

Purple Skin white Flesh ex Bunnings: These are probably Northern Star.  Produced roots upto 1kg est.  Best yield around 4 kg, to be checked by weighing.

Purple ex Bunnings:  Yet to be dug.  Suspect these to be Okinawa or similiar based on leaf

From Steve1
Purple:  Small plant approx. 1 meter long, may well have been smothered by others around it.  No roots

Okinawa:  these have the same growth as the purple from Bunnings, and maybe the same variety.  Growth up to 1.75m long, no roots

Red garnet:  Another that may have been a bit smothered, only small plant to 1m long.  Two small roots, should be enough for slips, but not for eating.

Kumera: Stems long - 3m or there abouts.  Only fine stems approximately 5mm in diameter.  3 or 4 small roots, lucky to 1 kg in total.

Blackie:  The ornamental variety, lots of developing buds and sign of spent flowers, but no sign of seed pods, Only 0.75m stems but long leaf petioles so still easily seen.  No roots.

Wanmun:  Beast of a plant.  Runners 3m plus, 12 to 15 mm thick.  Long roots with no real storage roots developed.  Roots thickened in places.

Northern Star, White fleshed, Purple shinned roots, best to around 1 kg est.  Went in later than that from the B store so not as many roots as PSWF above but otherwise similar all round.

American White:  Two roots of similar size, roughly 250mm long by 50mm diameter at thickest.  White Skinned, white fleshed. Tops to 2 m.

Solomon:  Thin runners to 2 m, only a few very thin roots that were not worth keeping even for slips just too thin, would shrivel up to next to nothing.

Japanese :  Two types here as suspected by steve1 after earlier comments.  One typical Northern Star roots, so treated as such as it was considered the likely mix up partner, the other was a white Skinned, white fleshed root to 300 mm long and 60mm thick.  Stems about 2.5m long.

Not sure why so many from Steve failed to make roots, other than they went in later than those from the B store and I suspect that some may need longer season than was provided this year

All of these have had at least 7 cuttings taken, with most floating on the dam.  Ran out of room in float setup so a few under hard, clear cover until I can get another float set up built.  The following links were some I came across while trying to sort out the B vs E situation and may prove useful to some.
Added 18/5/20

Understand and agree with your comments re: season length and restarts if needed.  Agree that having seed as backup is a definite plus, I have just got to get some!  Dug all the SP from Steve today,  no roots under nearly half, most of the others only small roots. No sign of seed on the ornamental even though there was plenty of buds and spent flower stems.   Always next year.

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Breeding Sweet Potato in Australia
« on: 2020-05-15, 04:59:52 PM »
Agree re clunkers: whatever you call them, just to big. Size wise, personally, consider that single serve for a family of four is what I want,  so somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 pound each, with odd one up to a pound ok. Number of roots per plant:  probably seven or eight at that size.   Understand smaller size as single serve.  I also need to start a harvesting plan that gets them out of the ground when the weather is more suitable for curing them.

A hard choice to make Reed.  Personally,  I think I would be inclined to keep a mix of early sprouted and those that came up in the cold.  We have had our third straight 32F start, and while the frosts with that are light, partly due to all the water still lying around here from the rain,  I am seeing differences in response to them.  Some plants,  like the Orange ones are being hit fairly hard, others seem to be laughing at the frost so far.  So if there is some  differences in frost tolerance,  then why not make the most of it. If you come up with ones that are early sprouters plus frost tolerant,  that would be a big plus and extend your growing season.

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Breeding Sweet Potato in Australia
« on: 2020-05-15, 03:01:39 AM »
Reed,  I have heard of some linker roots weighing up over 10 lb, not the sort of roots that I want. 

Dug three more orange ones today, 2, 4.5 and 5.5 kg or roughly 4.5, 9, and 11 lb under them.  The longest runners have been 2.7m/9 feet. 

Dug one Purple flesh, white skin plant today as well 7 roots under it, four small and three around one foot long. Growth around 8 feet long

Sweet Potatoes / Re: Breeding Sweet Potato in Australia
« on: 2020-05-14, 02:43:55 AM »
Managed to find 5 minutes to start harvesting the sweet potato today.  A very light frost this m morning has tickled up a few tops a bit.  Those in the dam still look good by comparison.

Only managed to get enough time to dig 4 of the "Beauregard"  SPs,  these have a redder skin than what I was expecting.   Maybe Evangeline?

Tops measured roughly 2.5m/8 feet long and Weighed one cluster of roots,  3.2 kg/ 7 lb or just over,  roughly 28lb or 12kg from the 4 if looks are any guide.  Roots weighed were from the plant that flowered the best, about 10 pieces of that plant floating in dam now.

Photos taken and will be posted shortly

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