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Title: Gardening in 2021
Post by: triffid on 2021-01-02, 05:35:16 AM
Happy New Year fellows!

What are your growing plans for this year? Planning on doing anything different than usual, lessons learned from the pandemic, etc.?

I'll be growing a lot more roots and tubers, and intercropping the broad beans with grains and wildflowers, which is meant to confuse the blackfly and attract predators respectively.

As usual, many heritage pea varities to regenerate & trial. Alliums will also feature heavily; a fair few shallots and potato onions, perennial leeks and a good dozen or so pollen-fertile garlic varieties have been planted in an attempt to obtain seeds.

But I'm perhaps most excited about our new fruit tree, a PÍche de Vigne or blood peach, which I hope will thrive in our climate and allow me to produce a delicious liqueur.  ;)
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Adrian on 2021-01-02, 09:36:21 AM
I try the apricot tree but it freez at the flowering and the flowers fallen.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Andrew Barney on 2021-01-02, 01:23:12 PM
Hard to say at this point no idea. Trying to figure out what will be my priorities. I'd like to help more with the wild tomato breeding for sure.

After going through my pea collection I have a ton I want to grow out and evaluate (many from past crosses that may now be F2-F4), some heritage varieties. But I don't have the room here for it and have permission to grow them out on my parents property.

I'd like to grow out my white crossed Hopi White squash. Also would like to grow some edible or winter watermelon this next year, but not sure about space.

Hoping my red podded pea crossed with Midnight Snow F2 will grow (lost most if not all the F1 seeds to early snow). Also want to grow out the wild  Pisum elatius x Alaska domestic pea F2 seed I got from Israel. Could be interesting genetics there (I have seed to share of this).

Going to prioritize herbs and mertensia bluebell flowers in one raised bed.

So as usual I have too many things I want to grow and not enough space.

Also planting more raspberries where I can.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Garrett Schantz on 2021-01-02, 01:47:21 PM
I'm probably going to be growing quite a few wild tomato relatives - crosses. J&L Gardens had a few newer tomatoes  of interest.
 Growing a good bit of Vigna and Phaseolus species as well. I bought runner beans traditionally used for eating from a seed company, it's parent company is an African seed company. The beans are all larger than Beach beans, a Canavelia species. So decent sized in comparison to regularly available types.
 Buying some Tim Peter's brassica crosses from Adaptive Seeds. Also trying out some Lepidium species, all sorts of greens.
 Going to try planting some squash again this year.
 EFN has some things of interest on their Facebook. Will look at what they have when the store reopens with new items.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Ferdzy on 2021-01-03, 08:14:38 AM
We haven't worked up our plans for the year yet, as I still have to do our seed inventory. I need to get working on that. We have a pretty tried and true formula for what gets planted at this point, in terms of which vegetables; it's just the exact varieties that may fluctuate a little.

However, there will be a continuation of work on a number of projects:

1.) Yellow-when ripe watermelons. These are doing well, but I still have to hear back from OSSI about how they did for them this year.
2.) Extra-hardy leeks that survive our winters looking fairly decent and are good for spring eating.
3.) Would like to do more with shallots that I've been half-assing around with for a while.
4.) Have a few seedling potatoes to follow.
5.) I've been growing a tomato I really like that I'm calling "Ferdzy's Favourite" for a few years now, but I'm thinking I might cross it with Cosmonaut Volkov or Stupice and see if I can't get it a few days earlier yet.
6.) Beans! We are eating more and more beans, and we have some interesting crosses that have been showing up. A few in particular that I'd like to grow out, including one that produced close to 2 cups of dried beans from a single plant, and might have made it if the deer hadn't kept munching on it. Also a number of productive, tasty and anthracnose resistant pole green beans. (All my beans are pole, almost.)
7.) Lima beans - they've been crossing. I'm hoping for more interesting things to show up this year. Plus we continue to select them to cope with our short (by their lights) and cool (by their lights) climate.
8.) Continue to grow out a few of the pepo/argyrosperma squash cross we got a few years back. Really need a lot more space to do this systematically, but still going to noodle around with it.
9.) We always grow a lot of peas and have a few new ones to try ;)
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: reed on 2021-01-03, 09:21:28 AM
I also need to do a good inventory of seeds. Actually have most of them accumulated into the same general area. It's cool and damp and cloudy today so maybe a good time to dump them all out get that chore done.
In 2021 I'll be growing lots of regular things, tomatoes, lettuce, onions, garlic, and so on so I'll just list some of the things I'll be focusing more on, either by expanding my landrace genepool or in more directed breeding.
 
1 - Watermelons -  I've only grow a few last couple years so bulk of seed is getting old I want a bigger grow out this year to reselect and replenish
2 - Muskmelons - same as above
3- SWEET POTATES - my baby, when it comes to breeding projects. I have nice stock of seed stored away and next year want to clone just the best of the best from 2020 to start screening for production, flavor and so on and to make a new elite line of seed
4 - Beans -  of course. Working on a landrace of pole beans that have shorter vines, six feet or so max. Also a couple new (from crosses) individual varieties that we like as green beans
5 - Lima beans - early stage of landrace development, trying to see what happens if bush types cross with pole types and trying to increase production
6 - Corn - Working on a flint/flour mix that is short season, resistant to ear worms, color variable only in the pericarp
7 - Cowpeas -  Tried them in 2020 and they did great, ordering some more varieties to mix in
8 - Peanuts - Same as with cowpeas
9 - Amaranth  - New for 2021, hope to make an landrace that can kind of live on its own in on the edges of the yard (buying or trading for seeds)
10 - Soybeans - New for 2021, hope to make an adapted landrace of early season types and learn how to use them (buying or trading or seeds)

One of my projects for 2021 is already going. It's an attempt discover winter hardy cabbage and relatives and get them through till spring to seed, so far so good, plants have survived 7 F one night and two days with high below 20 F. Previous attempts have failed but plants were started earlier last fall and right now are looking pretty good.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: William S. on 2021-01-03, 10:21:55 AM
I definitely want to continue with species and interspecies tomatoes.

Also many interesting domestic tomato crosses to continue stabilizing.

I hope to grow out a G2 from Tetsukabuto along with older seeds from Maximoss.

I hope to grow a G3 from Autumn's choice moschata.  If it crosses with the Tetsukabuto lines that's ok. The green yellow banded color pattern seems to be dominant.

Would like to plant for pepo squash something like one crookneck, one mandan, and one zucchini and let them cross to start a grex.


Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Adrian on 2021-01-03, 11:14:56 AM
I will taste the tetsukabutos and i will see if they have of seed able to germinate.
I hope that i have a crossbreeding with violino rugosa.Violino rugosa look like at futsu kurokawa and he will given of vigor at my f2 of tetsukabuto.I don't know if the peel of violino rugosa is a dominant gene.
I have try too tetsukabuto with red kury.
With blue of hungary, the fruits of tetsukabuto dont have a total developpement.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Richard Watson on 2021-01-04, 10:52:35 AM
2021 for me will be carrying on with Ipomoea batatas and hoping I can get seed, its great that I'm starting off the year with a batch of new varieties from NZ grown seed.

Getting TGS has become a major mission thanks to rust, but never give up is the key.

Tree onions - This is my third summer trying to get to the F3 stage, hand pollinating at the moment, so fingers crossed.

Beetroot - Did a cross last summer between Detroit Dark and Bull's Blood and this summer growing that seed with some seed grown in 2018-19 from a mystery beetroot grex given to me by another gardener, was pretty shitty seed, full of bolters and had some chard pollen mixed in as well, but hey some wild diversity in that seed.

This years current Zeta Mays is a simi-sweet and super sweet mix, this is my third generation.

Lastly stabilizing a C maxima cross which was a cross between Green Chestnut and Crown, One amazing plant has appeared this summer which has the largest leaves Ive ever seen on a pumpkin
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Diane Whitehead on 2021-01-04, 11:53:24 AM
I have a lot of beet seeds to grow - hopefully hybrids between Touchstone Gold, Chioggia and Moneta.  I had wanted to have some long beets included but Taunus didn't manage to flower.

Plus seeds from my cross to re-create something like Carol Deppe's Goldini -  Goldy X Costata Romanesco
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: triffid on 2021-01-06, 12:42:50 PM
Goodness, a busy and ambitious year for many :)

Adrian, I hope your apricot has warmer weather this spring. I'm following the fascinating squash and sweet potato breeding on this forum with much interest.

I also saw mention of J&L Gardens wild cross tomatoes. There's a plant of one of their wild genetics varieties outside right now - still clinging on, after months of rain, and now at freezing temperatures. It's likely one of the Ambrosia series but might even be Sugar Drop or Bumblebee, the label fell off a while ago. I'll be growing them all this year for a proper assessment in our climate.

More diversity in golden beets would be nice, especially some large ones and long ones of the Cylindra-type. There was a giant round yellow fleshed mangel by Carter's that appears to be long extinct.



Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Diane Whitehead on 2021-01-06, 01:14:27 PM
The Experimental Farm Network, which opened to orders yesterday, sells a grex of golden beets:

selected from Fedco's golden breeding stock of Dr. Alan Kapular's triple cross of Yellow Intermediate, Crosby Purple Egyptian and Lutz Saladleaf.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Adrian on 2021-01-06, 03:08:24 PM
 happy new years
I dont't know if my apricot tree is also alogamous or autogamous but i am of peach tree wich growing near. I don't know if a peach tree can polinisated an apricot tree.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Garrett Schantz on 2021-01-06, 06:25:38 PM
I have a PDF of seeds that I have - some I will plant, some maybe not. Its a few different pages of greens, tomatoes etc. Might be too large to post on here.
 
Gnarly Long-lived Beet Leaf Mix from EFN sounded interesting. Possibly a perennial down to zone 5. Roots look a bit small, but one central root might just freeze to death and the whole plant dies. If nothing else, it could act as a perennial chard.
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: Diane Whitehead on 2021-01-06, 06:40:26 PM


I just looked at my vegetable seed database:  1553 kinds.

I like to try lots of things, but only a few seeds from each packet get sown. 
Title: Re: Gardening in 2021
Post by: spacecase0 on 2021-01-06, 07:51:34 PM
last year I almost did not have a garden,
to little rain, worried about running the wells dry...
but I planted and watered everything anyway,
this year is less rain...
but I have way more motivation to want to grow food.
so I think back to my uncle's question of how to deal with where we live if the water goes away,
took me a few years to figure it out, and I never did get to tell him the answer before he killed himself ...
but I think I know now.
the answer is to grow summer crops in the winter in earth sheltered greenhouses.